"QUOGGLEBOX" | BBC Question Time with Commentary by Graham Hughes | THURS 4th JUNE 2026

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[00:00:11]Hello and welcome to Quagglebox here on Hughes the World. I'm Graeme Hughes.

[00:00:16]This is the world. How you all doing? Uh even all bloody knackered. Well, Martin, I have not stopped all day uh since I know half seven this morning. Um so yeah, I know how you feel, mate. Uh so let's go and watch let's go and watch question time together shall we? Uh just got to update the question time page because there is a live one going on now. Good. That's just come on.

[00:00:42]>> Okay. Right. I can hear it.

[00:00:44]>> Decades.

[00:00:44]>> Okay. Here we go.

[00:00:45]>> Tonight for this special program, this week's audience reflects the wide range of political views and the way people vote across >> actually live constituency.

[00:00:54]Welcome to question time from Makerfield on the BBC news channel of >> Makerfield by how you doing out there >> on the panel the mayor of Greater Manchester Andy by election widely expected Karma for the Labour leadership he says he's stepping forward to answering cry for change Another man with high hopes of winning the seat in any form UK. A self-employed plumber and former army reserveist. He says it would be a massive honor to represent the area where he was born.

[00:01:34]>> The conservative candidate is Michael Win Stanley. He's the former mayor of Wigan and has served as a counselor here for 16 years. He wants to ease the tax burden on business and revive local high streets. Sarah Wakefield is standing for the Green Party. She is a counselor at Manchester City Council. She says the Greens want to bring hope and joy to the conversation about Megafield's future.

[00:01:54]And Jake Austin represents the Liberal Democrats. He is a Stockport counselor and stood as a candidate to be mayor of Greater Manchester in 2024. He's calling for better public transport across the Northwest and more affordable homes for young people.

[00:02:08]>> Well, better public transport.

[00:02:12]>> You know, I I I feel like that ship has already sailed cuz you look at Sandra Burn.

[00:02:17]>> Good evening.

[00:02:19]Welcome to audience here in Megafield.

[00:02:21]Good to see you and of course welcome to you at home. This should be >> an interesting and possibly quite lively program. If you want to join in the conversation on social media which is always lively.

[00:02:30]>> No, we're just going to watch. We're just going to watch >> and let's see how it goes. Let's kick up with our first question.

[00:02:35]>> We're going to watch them make comments >> like the old guys in the seasons. No, the muppets. How can politicians restore the public's trust and confidence in them given the scandals U-turn and broken promises?

[00:02:49]>> All right. Well, also I'm going to come to all of you on the panel. Make sure you get a fair shout. Uh Andy, let's start with you.

[00:02:56]>> It's by changing the way we do politics.

[00:02:59]I can't give you any other answer. And I mean fundamental change. I was in Westminster as you may remember. I did represent part of this constituency. It was in the old Lee constituency, Hinley Green, Bikashawore, Hindley was in. And I found that I went down there and I was speaking in to parliament. And in the end, it took me a long time to realize that the system just simply was not set up to support places like ours. And it treated us as the bottom of the list rather than the top of the list. And it's the point scoring, isn't it? you know, the kind of whole setup of Westminster, people go to point scoring before they go to problem solving. It's party first rather than place first and people collaborating. And it took me a long time to realize it, but I did realize it. And that's why I left in 2010. I just felt I sorry, 2017, I just felt I couldn't do my best for the Northwest and for this part of the world that I care about so much in that in that system. As mayor of Greater Manchester, I pioneered a new politics.

[00:04:03]Place first, not party first. Long-term, not short-term. Problem solving, not point scoring. Pro business, working with the community and voluntary sector, getting everybody together, unifying people. We had a drive to make greater management what we all want it to be.

[00:04:18]And look at us, the fastest growing city region in the country. We've developed a new public transport system. You know it's amazing what you can achieve network >> if you start to work like I felt my connection >> with people has improved and what I would say is that approach a more collaborative politics >> a more uh if you like long-term approach to solving the country's problems needs to be taken from here Greater Manchester and taken down there fundamental change in Westminster to restore the public's trust. Now >> when it comes to restoring the public trust, we might as well address this head on because we had a lot of questions about it. In fact, the most questions about you personally were about this, which is that that we are having this bi-election. This is not a usual bi-election. Someone has stood down specifically so that you can stand and should you win, have a go at getting inside the door of number 10. Let's make no bones about it. A number of you, a lot of you asked, but let's hear from some of you who asked asked about exactly that.

[00:05:21]>> Yes.

[00:05:22]>> You just said then if as an MP for Lee, you didn't really have you couldn't make much change because of the party politics. So what are you actually going to do for the people of Makerfield himself if you if what I mean you have to be hidden under a rock to think maybe you aren't going to go for the leadership against Kia? What changes are you going to make to make that Labor Party great again? I >> mean, I'm making no assumptions about this election. I'm not because you all know it's tight. You know that could speak to people in your communities. No, >> this is why you're running, Andy. Let's be clear about that.

[00:05:56]>> Answer the question. I mean, it's an important question. It's not a given.

[00:05:59]And I don't see it as such. I'm fighting hard because to me, it is about trying to rebuild politics and make it work for people here. When I was in the cabinet, I had influence and I used it for people here. I've got the Lee Sports Village built. We got Bicashaw Marina. I got a young girl who'd been abducted and taken to Libya. I got back with her mom in Hinley Green. I have always used my political influence for people here.

[00:06:23]Hillsborough was another another example. I've never abandoned this place at all. On Sunday, it's the 25th anniversary of me being an elected great manager representative. But I know I can't do everything >> within the system as it currently is. So alls I can say to you is I would take the fight to change politics and change this country as high as I could so that it works for here and it doesn't work for here right now. Look at the flooding.

[00:06:49]>> Okay, let me All right, Andy, let me bring in the rest of the panel.

[00:06:53]>> It's become the Andy Bonham Show.

[00:06:56]>> I will come to you Michael but let me bring in the rest of the panel. So roll the Andy show to restore the public's trust.

[00:07:02]>> Just go back to Billy's question about restoring trust. I think a big move away from career politicians would certainly help and having normal people, >> normal people, >> small landing politics. Andy touches on us being the fastest growing economy.

[00:07:17]Does anybody in Maker feel like feel that we've got the fastest growing economy or is it all just kept in Manchester? We keep giving our council tax. There's a bigger percentage every year being taken by Manchester. While Manchester thrives, we're struggling to survive in Wigan. We've been left behind. So my my field normal people in politics, people who care about the place, people who live in the place and people who want to stay here and not use as a stepping stone for other things.

[00:07:44]>> So look, in the interest of fairness, I put to Andy the thing that so many of you said, which is basically you're doing this election in order to try and get into number 10. The question asked most by the audience about you personally, Rob, was about comments you've made in particular about women.

[00:08:02]Now, a number of you put that point. Are any of you >> Can I see from those of you who it's it's >> Did you ask about that? Yes. Let's hear what you've got to say.

[00:08:12]>> Um I'd rather have a career politician than a plumber who's a sexist.

[00:08:20]I >> want to give you, you know, I want to give you a you may said in the past, you described yourself as as sexist.

[00:08:29]>> Allegedly. You've what? You're denying that that was >> No, some of the things not.

[00:08:34]>> Okay.

[00:08:34]>> What a twat.

[00:08:35]>> You described yourself as a sexist. You have made offensive comments about women. You You've admitted that. You've also said that abortion is the cowardly act of women murdering defenseless baby and that women do it so they can shag anyone they want. That's your phrase, not mine.

[00:08:53]>> I'll, as I say, I'm raising lots of people want to give you a chance. Okay, I'll address those questions. So I won't accept that later. A lot of the things have been said 15 years ago. I owe me hands up. I've made mistakes. And >> the one about abortion was just two to three years ago.

[00:09:07]>> I'm just addressing the first point where she said um where I was given a label that I won't accept. I was brought up by a single parent and my grandma who was a widow and an older sister. So I was brought up by women. I've got nothing but respect for women.

[00:09:20]>> But I had a something that said >> I had a mom. I came out me mom >> dragged up from an old rugby forum. you know, it's it's completely taken out of context and let's say taken out of context. I said things years ago that I wouldn't say now and I definitely don't believe that. Uh on that point, you know, it's >> just like no shut up. Um and it's like I've got nothing to for women.

[00:09:43]>> Can I just come in on this point though because I actually spoke to um Carol Wman this morning. She called me because she is really distressed that you have failed to apologize for any of these comments.

[00:09:56]>> Yeah.

[00:09:57]>> So, what about her specifically?

[00:09:58]>> Her specifically and she is watching at home tonight and I wonder if you can look down that camera and say to Carol, you know what? I'm sorry. Can you do that?

[00:10:07]>> You know what?

[00:10:10]Do it.

[00:10:12]>> You know, people will probably see what's been said, but I never actually said anything to Carol. I I commented on a comment. Don't get me wrong, it was a disgusting comment that somebody else had written, but I commented on the comment >> with approval.

[00:10:25]>> So, he's not going to apologize >> with approval.

[00:10:27]>> No, it was a crash joke and it's not something I'd say now.

[00:10:30]>> Can I say all right?

[00:10:32]>> Didn't apologize. He didn't apologize.

[00:10:33]>> Every woman in this room and at home has been subject to shaming whether at in person or online.

[00:10:40]>> That's disgusting. It's horrible. Yeah, it is.

[00:10:42]>> Yeah.

[00:10:44]>> I think you're just proving my point.

[00:10:46]Can you believe this? I honestly we have all been subjected to it and the fact that men cannot a man like you cannot sit and do a simple apology I think is disgraceful. But on top of that reform on women is shocking.

[00:11:03]>> Dig dig dig dig dig a >> reality. I can't believe as a mom of a young daughter, I am having to sit here in 2026 and make the case for me and my daughter to have the right for equal pay for never apologiz what the reform party stand for. They are a party that has a problem with women and they need to sort it out.

[00:11:27]>> This is not all about you. I'll let you answer of course and then I must come around the rest of the panel. problem.

[00:11:32]So we will replace the Equalities Act with the Workplace Fairness Act and a lot of those all those women's protections will carry over into the new act. No women's women's protections suffer or be scrapped over especially with maternity and pregnancy.

[00:11:47]>> Given that you can't apologize, I'm going to ring in the rest of the pound.

[00:11:50]I must give you all a fish out to answer this question.

[00:11:53]>> Michael, how can politicians restore the public's trust and confidence in them? I think the way that they can do that is by judging them on their actions. So when they say things, when they make promises, they car this is not going to go down. We hold them to account. But that's a great bit about democracy because actually you have got the right every single one of you to vote people out when they don't do what they have said to do. Now just to come on to Andy's point about u how we restore faith in politics. It's not that long ago, Andy, that you were telling everybody that this was the greatest job in the world and that you was going to see out your full term, but we're here halfway through. It's It's only two It's less than two years since Josh was elected as my member of parliament here in Makerfield. And I'm actually quite disgusted really and sad that we're having this bi-election foisted upon us.

[00:12:49]And you said about putting party first.

[00:12:51]You are putting your party first. No, he's not >> because >> could I could I just just end that one because actually we will get rid of Kurma whichever politician is elected in this in this bi-election and actually if you vote for me it'll speed it up straight away.

[00:13:10]>> All right. All right. Crazy eyes.

[00:13:12]Fucking crazy eyes on that guy Andy.

[00:13:15]>> Yeah. I mean you've been in politics a long time. You and I know each other because we've worked together over a long period of time. You cannot control events in politics. I can't control what happened in parliament. And let's not forget in this >> you can choose to stand or not stand Andy in this borough >> 25 council seats went away uh from the party and and you can't ignore those things. The public here are saying quite loudly to all of us we need something very different here than what's being served up and you can't just say oh well I you know I can't I don't hear that. I don't see it and I'm just going to sort of sit where I sit where I am. I mean that's just the reality of politics, Michael, and you have to sort of react to those things as they as they happen.

[00:13:58]>> It is. But what we're getting served up is more Labor Party. We need radical change. Michael, let's conserving trust. It's quite clearly the Conservatives have lost trust after a series of prime ministers. How on earth do you begin to restore trust in the audience here after previous administration?

[00:14:18]>> Yeah. 116 about it that we had a massive defeat in 2024 and part of that process now a bunch of back and this is what uh Kem as leader has started to do it's only about restoring trust you've got to accept and own that we made mistakes and that's what she has done but now what we're doing is looking forward to make sure that we can oppose what this Labor government is doing to address the things like cost of living but also setting out a plan about how we're going to deal with things like migration, cost of living, getting things moving again.

[00:14:52]And that's what I want to talk about at this bi-election. I want to talk about the high streets, crime, antisocial behavior, and getting rid of congestion across Makerfield because it's about electing your member of parliament. And as someone that lives here, I care about it and I want to deliver on that plan.

[00:15:07]>> All right, I'm going to come to you both as well to answer this question, but I'm just going to hear a little bit from the audience first with the glasses right at the very back.

[00:15:13]>> Hi. Um, so I watch the program um all the time, every week and >> Oh, good. I'm glad to hear it. Thank you very much.

[00:15:20]>> And I just find that politicians can never answer the AI. You ask them a question, you never get an answer. And >> and it is so disappointing when Fiona asks you will you stand you know to challenge KTM you cannot say yes that you will. We all know that you will. So why can't you just say it?

[00:15:40]>> I'll come back to you. I will come back to you. stand here and take it >> yourself. You raised a really valid point about as a community, we want a normal person, a real person stepping in and taking charge to make sure the people of our constituency go can get ahead in life the best they can. And I would rather have a community made up of diversity, of women, of LGBT people, of young people, of people with disabilities, than someone like yourself who is sexist and shows and has shown on more than one occasion an opposition to diversity just as your party does.

[00:16:19]>> Woman here in the jacket. Um my question is why as reform the it's close between both of you in the polls and I want you to win.

[00:16:32]>> So >> what you want Andy Bernham?

[00:16:33]>> I do. Right.

[00:16:34]>> I want the sooner the better that one street the the the better for me and everybody else. We want him to go.

[00:16:43]Everybody wants him to go. We can't stand him actually. But he's not for the people.

[00:16:48]>> Say what you really think.

[00:16:49]>> Yeah. Well, yeah, because he he's not for the people. He doesn't listen.

[00:16:54]That's his downfall. Um, but what a question is reform have in their manifesto, they're going to raise the tax threshold.

[00:17:04]>> Why is that not in your manifesto?

[00:17:06]Because if you put that in your manifesto, you'll want this bi-election easy.

[00:17:11]>> You're right. Okay.

[00:17:12]>> You need to put that in your if NOT FOR IF NOT heard it here for pensioners.

[00:17:18]>> Man at the front.

[00:17:18]>> Pensioners.

[00:17:20]has been called because basically Karma is collateral damage because of the Epstein files because Mandlesson was in the Epstein files. Karma knew what he'd done. He'd lied to Parliament. He lied to all the MPs and that's why everybody everybody in the country knew knew he'd lied. Right. He was on TV. He was all over when he was in comments.

[00:17:40]>> Right. Okay. All right. I mean, he obviously his clearly he's not here to answer himself. He may take it differently. Just just so you're aware.

[00:17:47]I mean, Rob, you could say this perhaps, but in terms of raising the trash tax threshold, I think it was to 20,000.

[00:17:52]That was a reform policy. It's not currently a reform policy, >> but we uh >> it's an aim, isn't it, but not a current policy.

[00:17:59]>> Yeah, it was in 2024, but I mentioned you said getting poorer. You know, just think about what happened with the with the winter fuel allowance.

[00:18:06]>> Let me bring the rest of the panel in because you need >> you're going to be so much better than that.

[00:18:10]>> Okay, let's come to you. Let's answer the question, Billy's question. How can politicians restore the public's trust and confidence in them given scandals, U-turns, broken promises?

[00:18:17]>> It come I I think it comes back to so much of what has already been asked in this room tonight. So to answer your question directly about why isn't there a manifesto in this? It's because this isn't a general election. This is an election for a potential future prime minister via the back door. And that's not the right way to be doing politics.

[00:18:35]>> Why? It's better than better than an election as well.

[00:18:38]>> So just appointing someone. So Andy's not releasing a manifesto for this because he's not saying the quiet part out loud. Um and coming back to what somebody earlier said about the general election.

[00:18:51]>> All right, let's let's be on the panel in a minute, but let's I know you're gagging to me. Let's let the panel.

[00:19:00]>> So coming back to what somebody mentioned earlier about honesty being an integral part of politics. Now Andy has consistently we've fought against each other in the 2024 Greater Manchester Merrill. He's consistently talked a good game about politicians working together to restore trust in politics. But fundamental to that is being honest. Being honest with residents and constituents. Yet he refuses to say the quiet part out loud that the reason he asked his mate to step down so we could run in this bi-election is not so we could become MP for Makerfield is so that he could become the prime minister instead.

[00:19:34]>> And listen just I am I am going to let you answer and also because it was a question from the one at the back.

[00:19:38]Listen, let's just talk about the Lib Dems for a minute because >> it is well known that the Lib Dems >> wish to rejoin the EU. That is clearly your policy as well as a Liberal Democrat. You are here in Mefield campaigning for people's trust, but I think it was 67% something like that of people in Mefield voted to 65 voted to leave. So, how can you represent these people? Look, when I'm knocking on doors in Makerfield and I'm talking to voters, they are not bringing up Brexit or rejoining the EU or revisiting a vote that we held 10 years ago, that's not what I'm about. And the Liberal Democrat plan isn't about rejoining the European Union. Yes, we want >> It's clearly stated aim.

[00:20:16]>> No, our aims as Liberal Democrats to have a closer tie to the European Union.

[00:20:20]Yeah, it's actually not a state of actually >> because that brings an extra25 billion pounds back into the economy on a yearly basis generated through revenue by having those closer ties with the European Union. That 25 billion pounds could do a hell of a lot of good stuff in our constituency. Could revitalize our high streets. It could help us cut the cost of living. It could help with building flooding infrastructure which is desperately needed in places like Hindley and S constituency. The reason that we want as Liberal Democrats closer ties with the European Union, not to rejoin, but a customs union, is because we know the economic benefits that would bring back to Makerfield and places like this have been left behind by Westminster.

[00:21:00]>> Okay, Sarah, your turn. How can politicians restore the public's trust and confidence in them?

[00:21:05]>> So, I only really recently got involved in politics in this way.

[00:21:09]>> I hope they do ask the million pound question here tonight.

[00:21:13]Thank you. Um, and it was actually the the last bi-election that was called in Greater Manchester that got me involved.

[00:21:19]And I realized that that there is no one else coming to save us. If you have an opinion about what we should do as a country, you have to get involved. And I think we've just seen on the panel here exactly the problem that people have with trust and confidence because we're all knocking points off each other. Um trying to say that we're more honest than that person when actually the fundamental problem we have in this country is that we're building on 40 years of de-industrialization topped off by 15 years of austerity which to be perfectly honest the Labor government haven't done enough to address. And we're all feeling it. And we're all feeling the squeeze. We're all feeling the pinch. But you know what we should be really looking at is the massive inequality in this country. 50 of the wealthiest families in this country hold more wealth than 50%.

[00:22:10]That's 34 million people. That cannot be right. And so as the Green Party, one of the things we want to say, it's not just about changing culture in Westminster.

[00:22:20]Because I'm afraid if we just change Westminster culture, we're not going to change the country. We need to start having serious conversations about who is contributing for a better future for our children, to solve the climate crisis, to get our high streets going, to make sure that we can have the money back in towns and villages so that our young people stay here and work hard and have better lives. So that's what we're all about is going let's not just think about Westminster culture that politicians are obsessed with but think properly about the solutions that we need in this country.

[00:22:55]>> So the question being from Billy about restoring trust and public confidence let's just talk about the Green Party record for a minute. So there was a candidate who was going to be it's part of the reason why you've had to jump in on your maternity leave. There was another candidate who withdrew after 12 hours and initially we were told it was for family and personal reasons. Lo and behold, journalists found out the next day that entirely unacceptable comments had been made about the attack on gold is green on ambulances where the candidate described it as a false flag attack, i.e. done by either Israel or Jewish people to try and make it look like it was done by somebody else. And there have been numerous anti-semitic comments made by green candidates. How does that restore trust and confidence?

[00:23:38]We have to be really clear that anti-semitism has absolutely no part in no place in the Green Party or in our country. And Zach has been extremely clear about that as well. And we have to make sure that those few handful of people are dealt with, that our vetting process is improved, and that we ensure that people can trust the people that we are putting in front of them.

[00:24:03]>> So, I just want to come back to Rob. I know you want to come in, but I'm I'm going to try and get other questions in as well, but lots of people have talked about Andy, you talked about at the back and I want to make sure your question gets answered, which is why don't you just say it straight out. I am campaigning the election. Okay, you want to be MP for Makefield, but you want to get into number 10. This is your moment just quickly because I want to move on.

[00:24:27]>> Well, >> come on. This is the time.

[00:24:28]>> I'm not somebody who gets ahead of myself. I can't do anything unless I'm lucky enough to get the support of people here. But if I get your support, I would seek to represent you at the highest possible level and give this constituency maximum power and influence. I think where streeting seems to have launched a leadership contest.

[00:24:47]So if that is running, I would seek to join it, but I'd have to persuade members of the parliament to Labor Part.

[00:24:54]>> Good answer.

[00:24:55]>> Good answer. on the personal allowance.

[00:24:57]I've heard it on so many doorsteps and I've said to my team, let's have a proper look at this and let's develop a policy.

[00:25:03]>> All right, I'm going to move on. But before I do, I just want to say that of course there are other candidates.

[00:25:10]You've heard from five candidates uh on this panel. There are 14 candidates in total and there is a full list of them.

[00:25:16]>> Come on, Steph. Come on. Come on. Camp Benface. Where's Camp Binface? Did I just miss? Take another question >> after the what we've just talked about now. This was the most commonly asked question. So, we're going to tackle it.

[00:25:30]>> Kath Richton, where >> camping face counting face >> in the light of the horrific news regarding the murder of Henry Novak? Are we now in a two-tier policing policy?

[00:25:43]>> No, we're not. So, I'm sure none of you need telling, >> but 18-year-old Henry Novak was murdered by Vikram Digua in December last year in Southampton.

[00:25:54]>> The police turned up on the scene. They mistakenly believed that >> yeah, there is just not against white people >> and not Vikram Digua. And they handcuffed him as he lay dying on the ground and it has caused outrage universally I would say across this country. A number of research reform and conservatives in particular have said it is an example of two tier policing.

[00:26:18]Michael is it?

[00:26:20]>> Um the first thing I wanted to say was having watched that footage um it was just heartbreaking and appalling that um Henry's last words on earth were you know I can't breathe and he was actually under arrest. It was absolutely appalling. But I think we need to make sure that we have calm heads in in this as we debate this. Um it's really important that we respect the wishes of the family who've be behaved exemplary uh as they've uh approached this and obviously our sympathies are with them.

[00:26:58]And what we need to do is to make sure that anger can't tear our communities apart. But we need to make sure that the police are operating without fear or favor. That was always the watch word of the police and we need to make sure we get to that. Again, we need to make sure this independent inquiry concludes as quickly as possible and then any of those recommendations uh uh swiftly heard the lessons have been learned about this again. This has got to be the moment for change. We cannot have this again and that's what every single politician should be working towards.

[00:27:36]>> Rob.

[00:27:37]>> Yeah.

[00:27:38]>> Yeah. Great point, Michael. And um it was absolutely horrendous to uh if anyone's seen the body cam footage, it's it's heartbreaking >> to see that. Um it's it's totally, you know, disgraceful what's going on on up and down in the country.

[00:27:52]>> It's not going on up and down. It was a one-off, >> you know, with the the knife crown that's affecting the country, you know, um under violence is never the answer.

[00:28:01]You know, like Michael said, the voices the parents need um >> when you in the army >> need, you know, need need to be kept and uh we need to, you know, not gather and, you know, violence is never the answer like we seen the other night in Southampton. But I think it just goes to show that there is a two-tier policing system in this country. I think it's there for everyone to see. that um you know unfortunately uh the accusations of racism has has been taken more serious than cries for help from a dying lad who was said he couldn't bring >> watch the footage it's not obvious that he's been stabbed it's dark as soon as he realized he's been stabbed they take the handcuffs off and try the country a hell of a lot more dangerous with drugs on the streets and no prisons you know when the green candidate is um >> telling the green party suggesting no prisons >> one of them did in Scotland I think it was was trying to scrap I think it was it was many green candidates in Scotland. That's not a green policy.

[00:28:57]>> Thanks for thanks for the super chat.

[00:28:58]>> I think we should be focusing on the question.

[00:29:00]>> Listen, um Rob, I know you want to come in making sure this point >> your leader comment. I suggest the rest of us respond to this with pure cold rage.

[00:29:13]>> I mean with that one, >> do you support that comment?

[00:29:15]>> I think >> would you have said it? What I would say is I', you know, anyone who's watched that >> beenach the video police officer, if anyone's got sons, relatives who were, you know, teenagers going out and out and about on the town, >> watch that body cam footage and tell me that you don't feel rage because that could be any one of your sons and daughters in the streets unless we get a grip on this two-tier policing that we've witnessed over the last >> What the fuck are you on about?

[00:29:41]>> Okay, let's hear from >> some people in the audience. man there with a sort of colorful shirt and glasses. Yeah.

[00:29:48]>> Surely pleasing should be done on the law of the land, not on religion or race.

[00:29:55]>> Okay.

[00:29:57]My name is the glasses not >> if any doctor in the NHS >> mine obviously are picked on by the police >> here for a charity called street doctors where we work with young people all across the country including in schools in this constituency including in hilly prison and we train young people in you know how to save a life if someone's been stabbed and things like that.

[00:30:15]>> Hi Frankie.

[00:30:16]>> So I've seen firsthand the impacts that violence has both in our schools in our prisons and in our hospitals. What would you do to reduce violence in the first place and prevent young people from being victims and perpetrators of violence?

[00:30:30]>> I'll make a video telling people to get really angry, go out and there in the spotty top >> and injure a police dog.

[00:30:36]>> I'd just like to ask in terms of Nigel Farage not condemning the violence that went on the other evening, would Rob Keru um condemn it this evening?

[00:30:45]>> Okay, let me just briefly allow you to do that if you want to. Do you you're being asked, do you want to condemn the violence that took place in Southampton?

[00:30:51]>> 100% condemn the violence. It's not violence is not the answer to this. Uh what we need to do is make sure we do it and we you know we reforms policies to get 30,000 extra police officers on the street, you know, and ban knives regardless of uh you know religious background that we we ban knives completely.

[00:31:10]>> Can I can you mind if I bring other people to give me just because there so many people got their hands up? Yes. The woman there with the glasses in the green and white top. Yeah.

[00:31:20]I think people should be enraged with what's happened, but >> Ah, Andrew Dixon, thank you. That's really kind of you.

[00:31:26]>> Crime um more in what policies led to that behavior. Um >> and what have you got in mind?

[00:31:35]>> Well, the police for start off. The the training load of new members.

[00:31:38]>> Cool. Gilg is a member. Yay.

[00:31:42]>> Underlying training >> overlook DEI going on. Welcome new members.

[00:31:49]>> By which you mean diversity, inclusion, that's not a thing in this country.

[00:31:53]>> Policing, justice should be done no matter >> who you are. What >> what are you talking about? We don't have DEI in this country. It's not a thing.

[00:32:04]>> Um, >> that's an American term.

[00:32:06]>> Judged on what you do.

[00:32:08]>> Okay.

[00:32:08]>> Brilliant. What a great point. Fuck me.

[00:32:11]You've waited your whole life to get on selling. Just make a point that doesn't mean anything.

[00:32:16]>> Not in Greater Manchester. And I'm gonna come on to explain why not. But what about nationally? I thought Michael this obviously didn't take place in Greater Manchester. Question. That is the question. Michael spoke really well by the way as has keen this week. But let me explain why I say about Greater Manchester.

[00:32:31]>> Um five years ago I appointed a new chief constable, Sir Steven Watson.

[00:32:38]And I think he's the outstanding police leader of his generation. And he said to me when he was appointed that he wanted to avoid any perception of two-tier because he felt this was a risk to policing in the times that we are living. And very much what the lady said, people should be treated equally in front of the police and the law, shouldn't they? And that's what it should absolutely be about. Early in his tenure, he said to me, I want to phase out rainbow cars. I want to, he said to a newspaper, I will never take the knee.

[00:33:08]and there was a backlash but I supported him because I knew what he was trying to do. He was trying to make sure the police were seen as neutral, serving all communities and therefore I backed him.

[00:33:18]But then he went on to do what he said he would do like politicians don't do sometimes, Michael. He said he would double the number of arrests. He has done >> edi more crime.

[00:33:29]>> He said he would get crime down. It is down in Greater Manchester. Knife crime is down in Greater Manchester. And then the interesting thing is confidence. I'm not saying they're perfect, but confidence in Greater Manchester Police is rising in all communities actually, including the black community. And I think there's a there is something here that needs to be applied nationally in terms of stepping back from this possibility that the police could be seen.

[00:33:54]>> Andrew Dixon, thank you so much. A mega chat.

[00:33:58]I don't think guidance >> that was issued. Andrew, you mate. Thank you. Man has got it right. You know, Mark Novak said in his speech, and I've watched it all a couple of times, >> that there needs to be a common sense approach to law and order. And that is what we have done in Greater Manchester Police. But he also said that there shouldn't be tension and division. I'm mayor of Greater Manchester. I know my words have consequences. All politicians do. If you give a pre-ordained statement at 8 o'clock in the morning, believe me, you are well aware of what you say and what might happen later in that day.

[00:34:33]Those consequences were seen on the streets of Southampton. And the ring leaders of that violence used exactly the same words as the leader of the Reform Party when they were orchestrating that violence. And this is a big question that comes to heart of this bi-election. Honestly, do we want to carry on as Britain down this path towards a politics like the United States of America where if people vote different ways, they won't talk to each other and they won't have any relationship with each other? Or do we want to be true to Britain and still live in a country where we work to find common ground? We work to come together and work to tackle issues like difficult issues like this together. I know what I believe in and I believe in the latter and that is what I am standing for in this bi-election. But make no mistake, we cannot carry on just thinking that things aren't changing and it's all it's all okay. It isn't okay. We must pull back from this type of politics, this poison dripping into our streets. Rob, to be fair, is right. The answer to violence can never be violence against the police. But that's what we saw on Tuesday night. And this is a moment for the country to step back from that and start finding common ground again.

[00:35:41]>> Oh, that was You know what? So much better than Star. I'm sorry, but like he is just pouring star out the water here.

[00:35:48]>> Would you lead if everyone's being treated fairly and equally? Would you support a ban on people carrying knives for religious reasons? I didn't know people were allowed to until the other day.

[00:35:57]>> Well, I think there's a case to look at that again. There was an exemption, wasn't there, for the seek religion because it is a very important bann.

[00:36:05]In a world where, you know, we do have serious challenges with knife crime, um I think it needs to be looked at, although it's it needs a very careful debate is what I would what I would say.

[00:36:16]>> Man there in the um t-shirt. Yeah.

[00:36:19]>> So, Robert, um you said you're getting 30,000 more police officers on the streets. Where you getting these 30,000 people from? Look at the situations you're putting them in. Who who's going to train them up? How long is it going to take to get them trained through vetted on the streets?

[00:36:33]These will be people in the community at the minute possibly looking to go into the police. 30,000 I think it's quite a lot. I think it'll take far too long to get them all through on the streets and I don't think anyone will put the hand up to go and be a police officer anymore.

[00:36:47]>> Okay.

[00:36:50]>> Yeah. Just to answer that, that'll be over the term of the parliament. So if we were elected in the next general election, over the next few >> get rid of the Equalities Act, >> that will be the target >> and then and then hire 30,000 police officers. a problem for whoever the uh white I want to focus on make you know what I mean I want to focus on make a field not national politics like well we're going to get 30,000 people >> people in the audience have got I don't know 20 year olds now they're growing up they're looking for education they're looking for employment >> would would you be happy to send someone like that into the police at at the stage the country is at the minute >> well I think um ex ex-military would you know when they come out of the military would be absolutely perfect to be joining in the police. Um, so that's probably something that >> 30,000 mate.

[00:37:34]>> Okay.

[00:37:34]>> Our army is not very that big anymore.

[00:37:36]>> Great to answer that are up. Just so you know, we have recruited a lot more police. They're back Andy 201.

[00:37:43]>> Let me let the rest of the panel in. I know obviously you want to speak. Um Jake, do we now have a two-tier policing policy?

[00:37:50]>> I just want to touch on some of the points that have been raised here, including that one. And one of the reasons that um so police have been under so much strain for so many years because of successive cuts to police forces across the country including local for police forces and community police forces. One of the plans for Liberal Democrats is to restore some of that community policing back into back into our local communities so that police can feel connected to their area so that we can see more police on the streets connected to the people that they represent and the people that they protect because trust in the policing system is just as important as restoring their finances back into the police.

[00:38:28]>> Sning and giggling at the working class >> from a liberal democrat who's have already been made.

[00:38:33]>> Who's sneing at the working class? The only person snaring at the working classes really well Richard Ty and Nigel Farage both very very posh rich boys they're the ones who polit their nest with money come together and figure out millionaires living in Thailand of our political differences in Thailand figure out what's going on and solve the problem and to be fair to almost all parties around this table that has been what has happened and that's what we've seen from our politics so far unfortunately for one party around this table with Nigel barrage. We haven't we've seen instead an opportunity as he always takes to drive more fear and division with and politicized for that not to happen and I think that is absolutely >> well Mr. There's only 73,000 fucking soldiers. What a half of the army going to fucking leave in the next parliament.

[00:39:26]Jesus Christ. I completely agree with >> making up numbers, pulling numbers out their ass.

[00:39:29]>> People have said about this being an absolutely unbelievable tragedy and I think when it comes to the question, the cast question about two-tier policing, we have to be really careful. I agree with you on that one. Police have had lots of problems over the last few years. We still haven't seen the results of what's happened with the Sarah Everett inquiry. We know that if you're black, you're two times more likely to be arrested, four times more likely to be stopped and searched. These are really serious issues we should be looking at and we really welcome the structural review that Labor is doing on police at the moment because we do believe that things need to change. But I also want to just make this point about safety.

[00:40:12]>> I don't think it's the first job of >> Sam. It's not that he's working class, it's that he's a sexist tosser working for the billionaire coots bank account motherfuckers who all wank on fucking crackers and destroy our country.

[00:40:25]They're being paid by Russians to destroy our country.

[00:40:28]>> So that's why they're sneering, mate.

[00:40:29]It's nothing to do with them being working class.

[00:40:31]>> And it's every single parent of a son, a daughter who's worried and calling them up and saying, "Make sure you take the safe way home tonight. Make sure you're with a friend because we don't know what's going to happen on our streets.

[00:40:47]And I know for a fact that friends and neighbors are having those conversations with their children. And that is something I do not believe we stand for as a country. I believe we are a country that is tolerant that welcomes our diversity and that is something we should all be really proud of and not let moments like this divide us.

[00:41:08]>> All right, I'm going to squeeze in another question. I think someone said earlier she'd make a good MP for >> forfieldington. Where are you?

[00:41:15]>> Oh, there you go.

[00:41:18]>> Yeah. Hi. Um yeah, with lots more houses and warehouses um planned for local green belt. Why is this um when it impacts you know local nature and flood defenses?

[00:41:29]>> So certainly there are plans to build thousands yes >> of new homes in this area warehouses too. I mean looking all the different plans in different places it's it's a lot. Um, why do they have to be built here and how does that, you know, when it affects nature and flood defense?

[00:41:44]>> I'm just laughing at Ernie's message there. And then Batman could join Superman and Optimus Prime and clean up SL >> right behind especially the 400 houses in Winston, you know, just behind Spring. That's something that we're going against because it's a it's a extra thousand people living in Winston, you know, extra thousand people using the shops, the doctors, the dentist, the roads.

[00:42:04]>> Don't want extra people. Don't want more people. Uh there's another development that also goes through green belt uh two to 4,000 houses that you know again we're against because it goes through the altern factory with all the asbestos that's contaminated.

[00:42:19]>> Can't be arrested for being white up the teacups you fucking dickhead.

[00:42:24]>> Who's ever been arrested for being white?

[00:42:26]>> Jesus Christ. God say you're British these days. You get arrested for calling yourself British >> now called places for people.

[00:42:34]That was a bit of a Jesus. How do these people live?

[00:42:36]>> It was out of the Wigan council's control. Worst PM coughs Liz Trusschester Boris Johnson >> gave half a billion pounds to his fucking mates >> campaign about PP that didn't fucking work >> farming land has been you know cheap on there for the donkey's years next to the near the sainsburries people are getting arrested for being development it's going to be a big massive warehouses and like I say it's something I'm passionately against and passionately for serving >> I'll take things that have never happened for 10 please So >> he's passionately against building houses. By the way, >> this is a topic we deal with a lot on question time against building houses.

[00:43:13]Lots of questions about it >> and I have to say generally when we have MPs on the panel, every one of them has protested against PL building in their area but is very keen for it to happen elsewhere. So look, Rob, I'm going to ask you, you know, you're against that particular uh planning development.

[00:43:32]Do you agree that there is a housing shortage? And if so, how do we tackle it without building on some green built land and and and and offending people who don't want it in, you know, to use a phrase, in their backyard?

[00:43:44]>> Well, I think we all know that uh immigration and house building hasn't kept up. So, immigration has a big puts a big strain, especially on housing because if you get an extra 10 million people coming into the country in a short period of time, you're going to have the demand >> caused by your fellas Brexit, mate.

[00:44:00]caused by the Brexit that you said was shite.

[00:44:02]>> Rental prices go up on that goes up, house prices go up, people can't buy a house.

[00:44:07]>> Remember what I wrote 10 years ago on social media start. So for me, immigration plays a massive part in the demand for new houses.

[00:44:14]>> Sure. The people are already here and you're not suggesting chucking them all out all 10 million. So So how do you plan to what do you think the answer?

[00:44:22]What we do is building on brown field sites prioritizing brown field sites first and foremost because once them green the green belt's gone, it's gone.

[00:44:31]Uh people build on green belt because it's cheaper because you don't need to do any studies of what was there previously. Nothing's been there. It's virgin territory. So >> no, you got to do lots of studies where else or >> there's a load of fucking mines out here in Durham, mate. You fucking build on them and you got fucking house collapses. You'll know about it, dickhead. This is always a really interesting discussion to have because it feels like whenever we discuss housing and green belt issues. Um, us as politicians and I'm sure people in >> immigration is is supplying the doctors and nurses and the care professionals that we need to keep people alive in this country give a fuck about that.

[00:45:08]They just want to kill everyone.

[00:45:10]>> Divide and killences.

[00:45:11]>> That's all we fuck want to do.

[00:45:12]>> That's not how this is. like this is a much more nuanced argument than we need to have about how we solve a housing crisis because absolutely there is a housing crisis. Me and my husband are in a lucky position where we did a few years ago managed to buy our first house but we have to work damn hard to be able to make sure we did and I know that for future generations people in 5 10 years even now that is a massive struggle and it's practically unobtainable for them.

[00:45:36]So yes, we need to build houses. Yes, we should be prioritizing brownfields first, but we also need to have an honest conversation with people. Goes back to what somebody was mentioning earlier about honesty and answering the question properly. Sometimes that is going to require occasional development on on on a green belt site because we do need housing for it. But it's got to be balanced. We can't just concrete all over. We are blessed in Makerfield and across Greater Manchester with many wonderful green belt sites. We need to protect as many of them as possible, but some of them we are going to have to potentially use some of them for development to make sure that our children and the people of the future are going to be able to afford to buy a home.

[00:46:16]>> No one clap that >> mentioned their 400 houses on Springpool. I am actually live on Spring. Kingswood Homes who are doing the development speak of affordable housing. However, that housing is from a private company. It will not be affordable. What we actually need is more council housing.

[00:46:30]>> More council housing.

[00:46:31]>> Yeah. as affordable homes. Obviously, Andy spoke about regenerating the town center as he did in Stockport. I think that's a really great idea because at the end of the day, it's not necessarily affordable housing is just exploiting an existing labor scheme in order to make more money. It's not actually for the people. Affordable housing isn't for the people. We need council housing.

[00:46:48]Thatcher sold off a lot of the council housing and we need that back really.

[00:46:52]Where do we put it? Is the Still Thatcher makes a great point. Put it in the town center. You'll regenerate the town center. Especially something that Wigan needs. man at the very back in the picture.

[00:47:03]Yes, you at the very back.

[00:47:06]>> How can politicians that are yes in my backyard about building houses, how can they be like that when in Makerfield Ashton Town Center, you will see that um there's a big traffic problem. It's quite difficult. How can we build these houses but sustain have sustainable traffic, make it easy to get around places?

[00:47:25]>> Right. So, you're think if you build in the town center, it'll make it more difficult. That's what you're saying.

[00:47:29]You're saying if you build in the town centers, it will make it more difficult.

[00:47:31]Is that what you're saying?

[00:47:32]>> Um yeah, it's um already quite bad the traffic around Ashen Town Center.

[00:47:37]>> Let's hear from the woman in front of you in the glasses.

[00:47:39]>> Rob, um what worries me is that we've heard a lot a few times now that people say we'll we'll build on Brownfield sites. Um but your boss Nigel Farage um took a 5 million pound payment from an basically a crypto billionaire. um lots and lots of suddenly he's a you know reformer a party for crypto um cryptoc currency. How are we to trust that you and your party wouldn't sell this off to the highest bidder when you have got a leader who runs your party who will say up the IRA for £80? I think it's shameful.

[00:48:16]>> Okay.

[00:48:19]>> I have no idea if he said up the IRA for 80. I don't know if you do. What would you I must let me get apparently he did.

[00:48:26]Let me just give you a chance to answer.

[00:48:27]>> He did.

[00:48:28]>> Yeah. So, with the phras 5 million, you twat.

[00:48:32]>> God, I hate these reef fuck fuckers.

[00:48:35]>> 5 million fucking spondies.

[00:48:38]With regards to green cryptocurrency so Russia can spend money on killing Europeans, on killing white people, trolls, killing white people here in Europe, getting people from Asia and Africa to come to Europe to kill us. You know >> that's what Nigel Favage facilitates in politics is to protect green mate fucking developments where DB symmetry building at Maris Bridge has got me into politics first and foremost to throw me out in the ring. So I hate protecting green belting the green belt like you give a fuck >> house prices high e >> no you will get to just perhaps >> Bruce looks shocked. Yes she did. She's not heard about that cuz she's not on top of a fucking right cuz I live in Ashton. She reads the fucking auto we have the >> she went to private school so she get years and years and years that we've had development after development after development but yet no infrastructure to go with that and we need to make sure that we put the infrastructure in first before we have the development. So if we don't have the infrastructure, it's roads that get clogged up, it's the drainage system, it's doctor's appointments, it's schools, places, it's all those things. And our infrastructure is the same as it was.

[00:49:46]>> We just got the 5 million pound question we did here tonight. And that means this button I hope to prioritize brain field sites first. The other thing, do you do you believe as Jake does that there will have to be some building on green belt?

[00:50:02]>> But that should be the last.

[00:50:03]>> Well said. Lady, it's conf time says Richard. Just give me one second.

[00:50:08]>> But I want to make sure that we pro protected at all cost. Places for everyone. When I was a counselor, we didn't even get a vote on that. That was decided at that was decided at cabinet level.

[00:50:17]>> I need to explain places for everyone though.

[00:50:19]>> So this was the spatial strategy that came from the combined authority that was signed off by all 10 districts and they had to agree across the 10 districts and there was horse trading on where parts would go.

[00:50:31]>> Three, two, one.

[00:50:34]Yay! Woo! Yes, thank you. Thank you, Hidden Night.

[00:50:40]>> And of course, thank you, Andrew Dixon, for the incredible mega chat there.

[00:50:44]Thank you so much.

[00:50:44]>> Of course, we want to protect as much of our as possible. This area is incredibly beautiful. It's absolutely amazing. And what we need is the right houses at the right price in the right place, which is simply not what developers are being incentivized to do at the moment because they are being incentivized to build, build, build build, build build. So, we agree we need more council houses.

[00:51:04]150,000 more council houses. End right to buy. Make sure that councils can keep those homes where they need to be.

[00:51:11]>> You want to end right to buy completely.

[00:51:13]>> That's in our that's in our manifesto.

[00:51:15]>> Great aspiration for people. Well, >> but one thing I do want to say is that the idea of blaming our housing crisis on immigration is is absolutely wild to me. actually that says more about because we've got an extra 10 20 million people coming the country.

[00:51:31]>> Do you think that >> if do you think that >> you think an extra 10 million people is going to have an effect on housing?

[00:51:38]>> Do you think that if we lock down our borders we're going to solve the housing crisis? Is that going to solve it?

[00:51:42]>> The thing is the more people you have in a country, the more houses you're going to need. I know it might sound >> He's really good at explaining things like isn't he?

[00:51:50]>> Yeah. Um I'll make sure. I'll make sure. Yeah. it you you using immigration on the issue of housing I think is absolutely >> are you saying it has no impact on housing >> I think Andy wanted to come in let's >> do you want to just ask that question from do you think >> does immigration have an effect on housing >> whoever lives in this country has an impact on housing of course >> the numbers of people in a country that's not necessarily >> if that was going to work to solve the housing crisis then we should tell people not to have any more children he says he was tricked into doing that.

[00:52:24]That was not something that he would he would have said otherwise. I'm just saying he's not here to defend himself.

[00:52:28]And as always, it's obviously your job to do it for someone. It is my job.

[00:52:32]>> He's had up the He's had up the RA for 80 quid, >> Andy.

[00:52:36]>> Yeah.

[00:52:36]>> Lots more houses. You know, that's the case. Lots and lots thousands. Why do they have to be built on green belt when it impacts nature and flood defenses?

[00:52:45]>> Well, I've been saying in this election that >> the 10 million Labor, but that applies locally as well. And I do think Wigan needs to rethink.

[00:52:52]>> She did fumble that and regeneration >> and do less of the burden of development on Greenfield and exactly as the gentleman said in the middle go to the local centers and start to repurpose those centers take away the redundant retail space or the surplus retail space so we've seen that in Farmorth a brilliant example Stockport you mentioned Wigan's been a little slow to this and it needs to get into this because the combined authority that I lead is putting money into maral development corporations to repurpose towns. And this constituency is full of towns that that could benefit. We do need the biggest council house building program in this country since the post-war period. We do need to solve this housing crisis and get people off off this mean building the homes on the green sites. Okay, there may be some development needed there. I do oppose the Stanley Hall development that people have have mentioned. I don't think that is justified. There's zero benefits.

[00:53:50]Thank you for the super chat community. If you look at the question of infrastructure that Michael rightly raised, this goes back to Westminster.

[00:53:58]Where's the where's the money for this constituency to solve the flooding problem that you have in that south Hindley area. I was the MP for Hindley when new homes were being built on Blackbury Drive in 2002.

[00:54:10]Water was running through those homes before they were even occupied. They flooded before they were even occupied.

[00:54:14]I remember that. And we've still got terrible problems. Hindley, Hindley Green, Platbridge, Abram, Ashton, flooding, serious internal flooding. And in my mind, no development on that scale goes ahead until that flooding infrastructure is in and even then it shouldn't be possibly as big as it's being uh proposed and that is absolutely crucial as is the road infrastructure.

[00:54:34]The congestion is >> okay. Well, let's just talk about the flooding.

[00:54:37]>> People say, but we are putting back road infrastructure because there was a big flood. There was a big flood in 2015.

[00:54:43]>> She keeps interrupting Andy Bham. She doesn't interrupt. come up with 2018.

[00:54:49]You became mayor and so clearly biased in 2017. Here we are >> 10 years later. There is no solution.

[00:54:56]We're now hearing from the Greater Manchester Combined Authority. There might be a solution in 2028. That is on your watch, Andy. Why have you not? I think you need to >> I think I think your researchers need to do a bit better job on this one. The Environment Agency holds the money for uh flooding infrastructure. United Utilities. Sure, I get that authorities said a solution would be presented up here by 23% last year and they've got 800 million pounds in profits at the same time. Where is the flooding infrastructure for this constituency?

[00:55:28]It's not the Greater Man Combined Authority that has the money to do.

[00:55:31]>> Well, then why did the hang on why did the Greater Manchester Combined Authority say a solution would be found by 2018? If it's nothing to do with them, why did they make that before and why?

[00:55:41]>> That was before my time. I don't know who said that may and chair of that for many years and there is I have chaired a group looking at the plat bridge floods since those floods and I've made the points the authorities how can this constituency have flooded seriously on Boxing Day in 2015 and then again on New Year's Eve New Year's Day 2025 I remember David Cameron in his wellies in the home counties when they flooded saying money will be no object we will spend whatever it needs why does he never why does someone like that never come up here and say that to people in a room.

[00:56:19]>> My my home was flooded in 2002. I didn't see Tony Blur coming saying anything at all. At least David comes.

[00:56:27]>> He was He was just That was the point he was making.

[00:56:30]>> That's the point he was making. He was making that point.

[00:56:33]>> I've got a couple of minutes left. I can't promise your questions get answered, but let's just hear what we've got to say in that two minutes. Yes. The woman there in the glasses. Yes.

[00:56:39]>> So, I keep laughing at blah blah CW's comments. cold rage that should happen.

[00:56:44]It should be directed towards the politicians that are trying to sew the seeds of no, the ones that are trying to sew the seeds of division between us because we're basically being manipulated by billionaires at this point to target the most vulnerable members of our community.

[00:56:58]>> And it shouldn't be like that.

[00:57:00]>> Yeah.

[00:57:00]>> Yeah, she's right.

[00:57:02]>> A little bit further along. Yeah.

[00:57:05]So Rob said that controlling immigration would tackle the housing crisis, but how does he plan on funding and tackling immigration?

[00:57:14]>> Do you want to answer? You're going to go about a minute, Rob. I'm not sure that's fair, but >> a minute to to answer that question.

[00:57:19]It's a tough question. It's a complex one as well, but that would be for the secretary uh to u you're asking me how I would fund it. You know, ZF has worked on >> question. So just just repeat it again.

[00:57:31]>> How you plan on tackling and funding immigration? Well, the thing is we stop the boats first and foremost. We stop a thousand people coming into >> How do you stop the boats from Makerfield? The boats coming into Makerfield on the road and we can fucking pee your dickhead.

[00:57:43]>> And every ward for, you know, a good few months now. HMOS comes up time and time again. Those houses are driving HMOs are driving up the cost of rent. So there's there's fewer houses for people to rent in this area because people out of town developments are buying pubs, big houses, turning into HMOs and renting them out to big companies to house illegal immigrants. That's a fact.

[00:58:05]>> That's not what happens. You fucking idiot.

[00:58:08]>> Oh my god.

[00:58:09]>> Look at all of you with your hands up.

[00:58:11]But we are out of time. I am so sorry.

[00:58:13]Yes. Look at you go.

[00:58:16]That was going to be your chance. I'm so sorry. I know your kid just mustered. We are out of time. We have an hour and we've filled it. I just want to say thank you very much to the panel.

[00:58:25]>> These bloody immigrants turn up on small boats to wiggle one. Thank you of course to all of you for coming along and putting your points and I can only apologize I couldn't fit more of you in. Just want to say again of course we've got candidates here.

[00:58:38]There are 14 candidates in this election and the details of those candidates are on the screen now.

[00:58:45]But for now I just want to say thank you to you. Thank you to all of you for coming on this evening and putting your points with such passion and such articuly. And of course, thank you to you at home for watching. Question time.

[00:58:55]It's coming off air for the World Cup.

[00:58:58]Yes, indeed. For you footie fans, but we will Good says Andy.

[00:59:03]>> What is Andy? Anyway, um but we will be back in September ready to start again.

[00:59:07]>> Good fuck off everybody.

[00:59:09]>> Good fuck off, says Andy.

[00:59:10]>> Question time. Byebye.

[00:59:12]>> Byebye.

[00:59:16]Sorry. Um, okay. Well, first impressions. Um, I think Andy Burner did really well there and I think that the refuck fucker, especially on the questions about sexism, he didn't look down the camera and say sorry to um Carol Vman. Um, yeah, I think Andy won that hands down. Absolutely. He came across really really well. A lot better than Star Wars in the same setup. Like this is the thing with Stararma. like he he that there's a level of sincerity that just isn't there. Starama might not be his fault. It's just the way he is, just his personality, whatever. But he he comes across as someone that you can't really negotiate with. Do you know what I mean? He just seems like a brick wall and the way he delivers this, you know, but I'll tell you what, the last the last week um on on uh PMQ's yesterday, it was a lot more relaxed. I think he's like, "Fuck it." You know, he knows he's on his way out, so he's just having a good time. Do you know what I mean? You know, like, you know? Yeah. He's just like, "Oh, fuck it. I may as well just I may as well just kick back." And he's he's seems a lot more relatable yesterday than he normally does. He's normally like rabbit in headlights, isn't he? Um, Benham did really well, says Witchy Goth. Uh, she's not a good host in my opinion. I don't watch Question Time because of her, says Viper Scott. Yeah, I I don't think she's a good host. I don't think she's a good host. I don't think that she um listens. I don't think that she allows especially left-wing politicians who come on uh Greens and Labor, Lib Dems, even that like she she gives them a short shrift and then she's always very quick to defend um the um the the the Gobshites. I remember when um the uh the the the accusation was made about um uh Boris Johnson's father. Well, Alex Boris the Feffl Johnson's father uh Stanley Johnson about the fact that he once beat up his wife so badly she had to be rushed to the A&E room in the hospital. Right. That's how bad it was.

[01:01:30]Right. Rushed to A&E. Right. in in an ambulance and a Fiona Brew said, "Look, I I just want to say that that we only know that happened once." She had to interrupt. You know, no one had said that it had happened loads and loads of times. They had just said there was an incident where Stanley Johnson beat his wife so badly she was hospitalized.

[01:01:53]But Fiona Bruce like, "No, you have to know it was just the one time. It was just the one time, you know." Okay.

[01:01:58]Well, you know what? I did murder that person, but it was just the one time. It was just a one. It was just a little murder. It was just It was just a little wee murder. It wasn't It wasn't a proper murder. I mean, it was a long time ago.

[01:02:08]Surely there's a there's a law against, you know, dooming people years after they committed the murder for murder. I don't know. That thing where she immediately jumped to Farage's defense and then came back again to try and excuse it for him was disgraceful. She would never do any of that for Star, says Graeme. Yeah, you're right. Green's really crashed and burnt there. Silver lining, less vote splitting this time on the left, says Tinkerator.

[01:02:31]I don't think she did very well, especially when he said um if someone says to you, "But immigrants use um uh more house." You say, "Well, you're going to have to tell people to stop having children then because our population is decreasing and people coming from other countries are not particularly adding to the population."

[01:02:48]Not to the tune that he was talking about of 10 million, 20 million people.

[01:02:53]That's just absolute bullshit. He just pulled those numbers out of his ass. And in any case, we do need people coming here because we have an aging aging generation, the the baby boomers, and there's a fuckload of them. And there's not enough people to look after them.

[01:03:08]There's not enough people working to look after them and to pay taxes to pay for them to stay alive. That is a big problem. That's what I would have come back with. But, you know, yeah, Fiona Bruce isn't really suitable for the job and is totally biased, says Ryan. Yeah, I that she didn't she didn't show herself in glory there at all. Um, are they just are they just showing it again on the Is this like a loop on the BBC? I didn't put this on for BBC News.

[01:03:40]I don't know why this is.

[01:03:44]Okay, they're just showing a bit of a clip from it, I think. Uh, the green lady probably wasn't very good. She's probably lovely, but she didn't seem very confident or authoritative. Yeah.

[01:03:52]And and what came across there is that she hadn't been prepped because of course the reef fucker was going to blame everything on immigration. That's what re fuckers do. They want simple solutions to complex problems. They go, "Oh, you know, we've got a huge problem at the moment with billionaires having all the fucking money." But refuck is funded by the billionaires who have all the fucking money. So why would it be in their interest to spread the wealth a little bit and make it so that more people have a little bit more instead of a handful of people just having everything, you know. Um but yes, um number 10 statement, the country expects us to focus on governing and tries to deliver a change of hardworking people, not get distracted by Westminster debates. The PM will will not walk away from his mandates. Cool. He's got a mandate. Hey, now Karma is getting interesting. He's got a mandate. Yeah.

[01:04:48]Uh, okay. Um, I thought the green candidate did pretty well up to the last question. Uh, where whatever she thought about was obvious never came out. Yeah.

[01:04:56]Yeah. Uh, no. Yeah, but that that's probably what's going to stick in people's minds when they think back about the show they just watched. Uh, that might be live showings coming on BBC one now. Fair enough. Um, yeah, she should have had those answers.

[01:05:12]The Greens have said they aren't trying very hard to contest Maker Field, though, haven't they? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:05:18]Yeah. Yeah. Uh, really, if you're going on one of those shows, you should really be prepared for the fascist spiel. Yeah.

[01:05:24]Andy, I agree. And because there's only a few different things that reef fuckers say. You could get a little doll of a reef fucker with a little bold thing that just says five different things, you know, and it would say and and and it would say the whole gamut of of their arguments, which is that they don't like uh black people, they don't like brown people, they don't like um foreigners in any way, shape, or form. And if we could only get rid of the that bloody Equality Act and get out of the European Convention on Human Rights, then you you're able to sack people for being gay, for being black, for being Muslim, for being Jewish, for being annoying, uh for being women, for going for getting pregnant, for having a miscarriage, for going through menopause, whatever reason you want, you'll be able to sack them.

[01:06:10]And that's the future that the Reefers want because that's the future that the billionaires want. They want us all working ourselves to death so they don't have to pay for our pensions, but they make a fuckload of money out of us while we're alive. That is the plan.

[01:06:25]Uh, if Kenyan gets elected, how long before he makes his first what? First million, says Freckle Puny. Oh, probably six months, I reckon. and and then you know one of these one of these shady sugar daddies from another from another country will will bestow on him all this money and say can you say all the things they need to say but the thing is him and um Kenyan and uh and and Leanderthal they're like the the the the token the token uh pavos the to the token pearls the token token token ple plebs in the vuck machine cuz vf fuck have got nine MPs and eight of them went to private school. Eight of them are just insanely rich. And don't forget that that horrible little creep um what's his name? Um uh Degenerous. Robert DeGeneres his name is. He's the guy who not only painted over a mural like a children's mural because he's a sick fuck, but also he was the guy who sat next to Richard Desmond, another billionaire, and uh and and who was the owner of um Barely 18 magazine. Barely Legal, sorry. Fairly Legal Magazine. That's how he made all his money. Yeah. Protect our women and girls. Uh so he sat next to him in a dinner and and he he he he asked um Robert Degenerate to actually go into Parliament, right? And and and speed up the process of his planning application so he could avoid paying 13 million pounds worth of tax in Tower Hamlets on a building development.

[01:07:59]And generate degenerate did it for him.

[01:08:02]He fucking did it for him. 13 million pounds that taxpayer didn't fucking get.

[01:08:07]And Degenerate did that for his old mate Robert Richard Desmond.

[01:08:13]Um yeah. Um pains me to say the Greens couldn't organize a piss for the vegan garden party. They need to be much more on the pulse of the human uh public mo mood. Burnham certainly. Uh yeah, I think I think um Bernham came across really well in that uh the way he addressed the uh that the uh PM question. Look, he had practiced that.

[01:08:35]He had practiced that, but it did come across pretty smoothly. It felt natural even though he practiced that. He fucking I know he practiced that. Um but yeah, he he knew exactly what he needed to say in that situation. and he's like, "Well, you know, someone else has started the leadership contest and I don't know, the guy in charge. He's not very popular, is he?" Hey. So, yeah. Um, okay. So, I'm going to get going now.

[01:09:00]Uh, thanks so much for watching. Um, and thank you everyone who's chipped in uh with the fan funding there, the Hidden Knights, um, and um, and Richard blah blah CW and particularly Andrew Dixon who didn't just buy 10 Hughes of the World gift memberships for one month for some of our wonderful people in the chat here, which means they get a little rose after the name if they want to leave a comment. H, he also dropped in a 50 mega chat. So, Andrew, thank you so much.

[01:09:30]That is really generous of you. That's really bullied me. That is fantastic.

[01:09:34]Thank you so much. I'll be back tomorrow morning at 9 o'clock and uh for the morning.

[01:09:41]Hang on. Let me roll me tongues. I've lost me roll. I've lost me roll. Oh my god. I can't roll me. I'll be back in the morning for morning brew. There you go. Get that tongue rolling again.

[01:09:53]That's because I bit it to fuck last week. You know when I was doing the I was doing the 65 hour bloody live live stream. I bit me tongue to hell.

[01:10:01]I can't I'm not going to be able to go uh I'm not be able to go to the the uh the Spanish fiestas and screama underlay. Underlay. Not that that means anything in in Spanish. Ariba just means upstairs and underlay means I don't know the stuff you put under the carpet in it. Um, so I'll be back tomorrow at uh 9 in the morning and then again at 1:00 in the afternoon I'll be doing uh the um well actually actually I'll have a word with Phil and see if we can do a special episode of the agenda at 1:00 tomorrow afternoon. So watch out for that. So, if you haven't already, uh, could you please hit the like button and subscribe to the channel? And if you are subscribed, hit the bell notification icon. If I'm going to do an episode of the agenda tomorrow with Phil Mohouse, then you'll be the first to know.

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