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[00:00:09]Well, maybe maybe not. Coming up next is Andrew. Andrew wants to talk about God being real. Andrew, you are on with Jovon and Dalton. If you can hear me, please provide me with your age and pronouns.

[00:00:21]>> Hey, boss. I'm 30 and it's he him.

[00:00:25]>> Cool. 30 and he him. Okay. Andrew, uh, you, uh, as stated before, Dalton and I don't, uh, don't believe in God.

[00:00:37]We don't believe there is, uh, compelling and or sufficient evidence for his existence. Do you disagree? And if so, why?

[00:00:45]>> Yeah, I disagree. Um, and, uh, science is why?

[00:00:52]>> Can we can you not be vague for me?

[00:00:56]>> Yeah, sure. Sure. I'll elaborate. um if you guys will allow me. Uh so there is a it's a scientific fact that there are 11 dimensions that exist, right? Um and we live in the third dimension. Um it's also very widely known that in science when you can't measure the when you're trying to measure something that's unmeasurable, you usually take something that's very minute that you already know and expand on that. Right. Um >> I I just before we >> there is a theory >> like um specifically it's string theory and M theory that talk about 11 dimensions but that's not been like proven or replicatable at all.

[00:01:38]>> It's just like proposed that there could be this thing.

[00:01:45]>> Yeah. We only know we only verified four >> we've only verified four dimensions and and we operate in all of them.

[00:01:55]Right. And the well to my point um to my point that's that's actually uh very interesting but to my point that even even then so there's four different dimensions right and we operate within all of them even even outside of that like there's four of them in our world. So to say that there's not more and that's the reason why the theory is there in in the first place, right? Is because that there are >> when >> because there's no scientific dimensions in the space time.

[00:02:26]>> What does that mean?

[00:02:30]>> Say that again. Space, it's space and time. The space time >> continuum. You say there are four dimensions in spaceime. What is being said?

[00:02:39]So there's uh I would assume that that means that there's different dimensional life things.

[00:02:45]>> No, no.

[00:02:47]Relativity is saying is that there's four dimensions. No, no, no. There's length, there's width, there's height, and there's time.

[00:02:54]>> That's it.

[00:02:54]>> And we have and we have no evidence >> of there being any like sort of organism that exists uh like in the f in like in as a one-dimensional organism or as a two-dimensional organism. All we have are these these guys, these threedimensional organisms. And we're not aware of there being any higher dimensions where higher dimensional organisms live. We have no evidence of that. And until we have evidence of that, we're not substant we're not really justified in believing in that.

[00:03:20]Are you trying to make the claim that God is like a being of one of these higher dimensions? Because if that's the case, we don't have any real good reason to think that that's a a real thing.

[00:03:32]>> No, I understand. But also there there would be two-dimensional beings relative to our view right. So relative to us as a entity looking at another organism or a living a living entity relative to our vision they are two right >> name them what are these two dimensional organisms >> uh any a microorg a microorganism >> they're all threedimensional >> you look at a microorganism under >> right but when I said relative to our view right relative reality.

[00:04:04]>> In reality, they exist in all the same dimensions we do.

[00:04:10]>> Okay. Well, even then, right? So, there's there's a Do you believe in the Big Bang?

[00:04:16]>> Yep.

[00:04:19]>> Okay. Um, and how where do you think that the Big Bang came from?

[00:04:24]>> We don't know.

[00:04:27]But if we stick God in there, that's just that's just a God of the gaps fallacy, isn't it?

[00:04:32]>> The best the best answer is I don't know. But >> but I will say this >> because you can't get something from nothing and we do currently have something and we don't have evidence of the supernatural and only evidence of the natural. Therefore, I would just say the universe has always existed in one form or another.

[00:04:51]>> Yeah. And I I agree with that as well. I I definitely agree with that. I I guess where I'm trying to go is is everything in the world in our universe is very alike because it comes from the same origin, right? Everything when it comes to the living beings on Earth. We all have extreme similarities, a lot of differences and unique ways. But for the most part, the core foundation is very is fairly similar to each other regardless of the organism. Right? Same thing with the planets. Planets are vastly different and unique >> of evolution. It's because of evolution, right? and >> one universal common ancestor has nothing to do with a god though, >> right? But where I'm going with this is if everything were to come from one or from one origin and this big bang and everything like that, then that means to your point that means under your belief that we are here by chance. And what would be the statistical ma like the mathematical chance for our existence?

[00:05:47]It would be an astronomical anomaly.

[00:05:50]as as long as it's not a 0% chance, then I would say it's 100% cuz it happened.

[00:05:55]Also, if the universe has always existed and therefore you had an infinite number of chances for a universe like ours to arise, then it doesn't matter how how low the chances are. Like for example, um Andrew, if you had, and this is a classical example, if you had a room full of infinite monkeys on on typewriters, would one of them eventually produce like the entire work of Romeo and Juliet?

[00:06:25]>> Oh, 100%. They would do it multiple times.

[00:06:28]>> Yeah. And if the universe has always existed and uh in one form or another, time goes back infinitely, then eventually you would just get a universe like this, wouldn't you?

[00:06:39]>> Yeah. And it would repeat plenty of times.

[00:06:43]>> Which requires no God.

[00:06:44]>> Yeah. 100%.

[00:06:46]>> Right. But to that point, to that point, right? So if we're here by chance and we're an astronomical anomaly, right?

[00:06:53]What would be the statistical chance of there being a god to that point >> to your belief if there is anomaly how much greater would the anomaly be >> 0% chance of a god under the current model we have >> and what's the what's the what's the evidence behind that that we're the anomaly but that has 0% chance of happening for god to be created or someone that we would see as supernatural Our current iteration of the universe is no more of an anomaly than any other iteration of the universe.

[00:07:30]Like if I if I like threw a bunch of cards into the air and they landed in a certain way, what's the statistics about whether or not the cards would land in this specific pattern? It's very low.

[00:07:43]Right.

[00:07:45]>> Right. But it did because you throw the cards up in the air enough bound to be every single version of that is going to be very low. But it is just chance. So our universe currently as it exists might be statistically very low that it would come to be the way it is. But that is just the way that the cards fell.

[00:08:08]>> Right. But what I'm and I'm not I'm not necessarily disagreeing with what you're saying. I'm more so saying if that is if that's possible, how is it impossible for a god to exist and for that god to have come down in the in the uh in the image of Jesus?

[00:08:28]>> I just want to say I just want to say two things two things. One Andrew I don't I when we talk about God existing we are saying that the the burden of proof is on the theists. You guys are making a claim that God exists. So therefore, you have to provide evidence.

[00:08:45]Shifting the burden on me and saying,"Well, what evidence do you have that he doesn't exist?" I could do the same thing to to you with unicorns, right? It it's imposs like to come up with evidence of something not existing is really difficult because almost anything can be evidence that something doesn't exist.

[00:09:04]>> When it comes to evidence that something does exist, you would need something specific. Now, there's definitely no evidence that like Christ was divine.

[00:09:12]Like if you want to move to that point of the conversation, we can. If you want to talk about God's coming of as Jesus, uh we can talk about that. But in like the my biggest contention with the God argument or with the God claim >> Mhm.

[00:09:28]>> is that it it again, it's just there's no evidence. There's nothing that shows that the universe had a creator. And it seems much more likely, at least from the cosmological models that I've done my time uh analyzing, that God has just or that the universe has just always existed in one state or another.

[00:09:53]>> I see. So do you believe that do you would you agree that everything is life? Right? That life exists in everything, right? So the even though we may look at them as you know inanimate objects there are molecules moving within them they are alive right trees life isn't just having molecules moving in you >> there's a few other >> well no not not I'm not trying to to to box it down to that but I'm saying in a sense that you know things that we may not seem as quote unquote conscious just because they're not conscious doesn't mean that they're not alive right so like trees are alive the planet is alive earth is alive Right. And the universe is alive.

[00:10:36]>> Dirt and rocks are not alive because they don't grow. They No, I didn't say Earth.

[00:10:42]>> Well, the Earth You said everything in the universe is alive.

[00:10:45]>> Yeah. Like stars aren't alive.

[00:10:48]>> So, so stars don't die either.

[00:10:53]>> Metaphorically, they doesn't go from one place.

[00:10:56]>> We metaphorically refer to them as dying, but really they're just exploding. But they're not really dying because they're not living.

[00:11:03]They're undergoing nuclear fusion, but they're not metabolized. They don't >> Okay. So, the question I would have started, >> the question I would have for you is what would you define as life?

[00:11:19]>> Well, I had probably to go with what biologists say. So, let's see. Um, >> cuz I think that >> earlier about whether life might be >> I I guess because I would never say stars are I wouldn't say stars are alive.

[00:11:40]>> Okay. So the I think that where um I think that my definition of life and yours might be a little different because I think that you and correct me if I'm wrong if you're associating consciousness with life as well because not all living beings are conscious and they are bacteria not consciousness I'm not using consciousness like cellular organization it's got to be it's got to be made up of at least one cell to be alive it has to undergo metabolism um living things use energy and chemical reactions to maintain themselves homeostasis um so you know humans for example regulate blood temperature cells regulate pH >> balance I think it's even easier it's a something living is a self-sustain is is a self- sustaining chemical system capable of evolution like Darwinian evolution. I would say that's life.

[00:12:36]>> But stars aren't capable of doing that.

[00:12:38]>> Okay.

[00:12:40]>> Right. Of course. Of course. Cuz you know they they're not actual uh physical entities. You know what I'm saying? Like with the body and all that stuff. So I I definitely get that.

[00:12:49]>> They are physical. They're just not living organisms.

[00:12:53]>> Right. Right. But what I'm trying to I guess what I'm trying to explain is that you know life is all around us. For example, I'll just take consciousness, right? Consciousness is all around us.

[00:13:05]Consciousness is not owned by one person, right? And of course, science doesn't truly understand consciousness to a full degree. But consciousness >> consciousness >> I don't believe that consciousness is owned by any single person. It's like >> consciousness is just the functioning of the of the brain. And humans have it, dogs have it, cats have it, elephants have it. Everything that has a brain is able to produce consciousness. But like rocks aren't conscious, >> right? Of course. Of course. Rocks aren't conscious. I'm I'm associate I'm uh basically comparing consciousness to air, right? It's not my consciousness or your consciousness. It's like the air that we breathe on this earth, right?

[00:13:44]Because when we pass away, it just goes back into where it's always been. So to that point to say that there is that there is something that's impossible of of that like everything originating from one place is it just doesn't make sense to me. Me personally it just doesn't make sense to say that everything doesn't origin from one place. We all origin from the earth regardless of how you look at it.

[00:14:08]>> Hold on. This is a different claim. This is a different claim. has a different claim because I could make the claim that we're all like we all have a common origin as in like the earth but then where's the earth origin from? Like I could say the earth's origin comes from a collection of dust and matter and blah blah blah. My contention is there's we don't really have any evidence that the universe the complete whole system of the universe not just the current expansion of the universe that we witness on in like our uh framework but the all of the what is the universe hasn't always just been here in one shape or form >> right but I don't I don't and to to your uh point that you said now and earlier.

[00:14:54]It just made me think of something. I don't necessarily I don't believe I disagree that the universe is already has always been here. Actually, I don't I don't agree with that at all because scientists can see the universe growing.

[00:15:07]If the universe is growing, >> go ahead.

[00:15:11]>> How do you know that the universe doesn't go through periods of like growth and then uh and then and then collapses in on itself? And this happens over and over and over again. The universe growing right now doesn't mean that it has a definite beginning place.

[00:15:25]It just means that it's currently growing.

[00:15:30]>> But in order for something to grow, it has to begin.

[00:15:33]>> Well, no. I mean, again, like again, the universe could just go through cycles of expansion and contraction over and over again for all eternity. So, the universe growing right now doesn't prove that there the universe hasn't always existed.

[00:15:51]No, I understand. I understand what you're saying. I'm just saying that in order for something to grow, it would have to begin. The same thing like even if it's expanding and contracting, water does that under uh certain certain temperatures, right? But water has to become water before it can do that.

[00:16:08]>> But the universe doesn't have to become the universe. It just is.

[00:16:13]>> I have no good reason to think that it must have a starting point. I've been given no good reason to think that. and the universe currently growing is also not a good reason to think that it has a definitive beginning point.

[00:16:29]But it again with science they take small the unmeasurable right and they take it down to small points where we actually can measure and if everything in life shows us that anything that grows must begin first >> that's not >> then we can take that on a on a bigger level of the universe and why is that >> don't just sprout out of the ground >> that was a nonsequator of points one point did not lead to the other in that statement that you just made science doesn't make the claim that the universe at one point did not exist and then it did and then it came into existence.

[00:17:07]At best, the scientific data seems to point to that the universe because matter cannot be created or destroyed, therefore it didn't come into being.

[00:17:20]>> Right? But what I'm saying is is if science tells us that in order to measure something unmeasurable, we have to take a smaller amount that we can measure and then expand it onto a grander scale, right? That's what they do with everything. Everything in science is based off of that.

[00:17:40]>> I don't >> and that's how theories come about.

[00:17:42]That's how facts come about. But what I'm saying is what you're trying to tell us.

[00:17:48]>> What I'm trying to tell you is if in life everything that you see right now or have seen that has grown has begun somewhere.

[00:17:58]>> It there's a not a Andrew you are now in the presence of greatness. You're not only on the phone with me and Jovon, but now you're on the phone with Dr. Blitz, who's actually a PhD. Um, let's see. Come on.

[00:18:17]>> We should probably What's going on? What did I miss?

[00:18:18]>> What we're talking about?

[00:18:22]>> Uh, so we're having a conversation essentially on beginnings of the universe and whether or not uh God created the universe essentially if if like correct me if I'm wrong Andrew, but that's essentially your your um stance at this point.

[00:18:37]>> Yeah. Yeah. And so so is the idea that because the universe is expanding it must have had a beginning.

[00:18:46]>> Yes. Because growing isn't a destination. It is a journey. Like for something to grow, it it has to undergo a process. So for the universe to grow, it has to undergo a process. And that process has to start somewhere.

[00:18:59]>> Well, yeah. The expansion is the process. And the expansion could have started, >> right? And what I'm trying to say is If our and this goes back to my earlier point, if our existence scientifically is an is a mathematical anomaly, for us to have existed, for God to have created our existence would not be an astronomical anomaly compared to our already existing. And real quick before before you answer that Blitz, just because there are some people on stream who might not know who you are, can you just give people um Blitz just like who you are, what you do, uh a little bit of your credentials so that chat knows.

[00:19:41]>> I mean, there's a background behind me.

[00:19:43]It probably illustrates it. I'm like I'm like the guy in the movie who's like looking at the clear uh dry erase board and he's writing equations in a I'm that guy except I'm actually real and I have a PhD.

[00:19:54]>> You're uh you're like Matt Damon from Goodwill Hunting.

[00:19:59]you see kind of like a jerk come in and >> Yeah, but he was super Well, that was because of trauma.

[00:20:06]>> Okay. And also, Bliss doesn't have the cool like Boston accent, but besides that.

[00:20:12]>> Yeah, besides you were in hot water there for a minute.

[00:20:14]>> No, no, no. It's not your fault.

[00:20:16]>> It's not your fault, Blitz.

[00:20:19]>> Um, yeah. So, like I don't know, man.

[00:20:22]Like it seems like if you want to make the claim that if you want to say like oh well it's more likely that people would exist uh that we would exist if if God was real than you know if God wasn't real like you can make that argument but that seems completely dis you know disconnected from this idea that the universe had a beginning.

[00:20:41]I I understand. I guess what I'm trying to say is no matter which way you I feel like no matter what world view you have of our origin, God would exist in that picture. Even if you even if not saying you guys, but if there was a person to claim that this life was a simulation, then that means whoever created the simulation rel relative to our view and our lives, they would be our god.

[00:21:07]But >> if we're AI bots inside of a computer, whoever >> we can't even prove that there was a there's a simulation that was created, that's the problem, >> right? All I'm guess I'm trying to that I'm trying to explain is is no matter what world view you have, even if it is that world view, that there is a God in that picture relative to our view, to our lives, that there is something higher than us. for us as humans to think that we just exist and just are just by chance just it doesn't make sense because if that was the case then everything is objective and we don't see that in life. We don't see objectivity throughout our entire lives. There's good and there's bad.

[00:21:52]It's not just objective, right? And if it is just objective, then why don't why doesn't why wouldn't one of you, for example, hold true to that when there's a if someone bombs your nextdoor neighbor, you're going to feel bad about that?

[00:22:08]>> Are we talking Are we now shifting by chance?

[00:22:11]>> Are we shifting to morality now?

[00:22:13]>> This is what I mean. Whenever I are like, "Oh, no, no, no. I don't want to talk about the big bang."

[00:22:20]No, we can talk about the big bang because >> earlier blood like it was wild.

[00:22:24]>> We we can talk about the big bang. I'm just saying to you to to to the gentleman I was talking to before to his point that we are just an anomaly and you know this mathematical equation right for that to be the case >> we're not really an anomaly. That wasn't my point.

[00:22:43]>> Could you just here give your argument to Dr. ates why you think the universe must have a beginning.

[00:22:50]>> In fact, you can even go back. Let we we can even reset. Start with what you called us in about the 11 dimensions thing. Start there.

[00:22:57]>> Okay.

[00:22:58]>> What I was saying was is that >> Okay, cool. Yeah, I think that would be interesting because he does have a PhD, so he probably me on a bunch of stuff.

[00:23:06]So, that would be cool because I've always thought about this. But, um anyway, >> there are um essentially, you know, alleged 11 dimensions, right? Uh and we live within the third dimension space and time right and in science of course you would know that they take in order to measure something unmeasurable they'll take something very small and then expand on that something that they can see and that they can measure and then expand that and then that becomes you know um that's how they're able to uh essentially like judge the distance between here and the moon right by taking miles by from miles down to inches, inches down to centimeters, etc., right? That expands up into figuring out how many light years is something away, right? Um, so with that being said, if if we live in the third dimension of space and time and we were to look at a second dimensional being, if we were to draw any shape on a piece of paper and there was a second dimensional being living within that world, they of course would see a line. us on the outside, we see their world from a different view. A view that they would never be able to fathom, a view that they can't understand. If we were to put something in that shape, they would never see it.

[00:24:22]Right? We're able to understand space and time and they they wouldn't understand that. If you told us uh second dimensional being to meet me at a pizzeria at 4, he would never understand what you're talking about. Now, if we were to expand that to the fifth dimension, how they would or the fourth dimension or the fifth dimension, how they would look at our world, how they the the view that they would see us in, the way that they would be able to operate and manipulate within our world, and then we take that up to, you know, the highest dimension relative to our view, that would be literally what we would describe to be a god.

[00:25:01]Andrew, have you seen Billy Madison?

[00:25:05]>> No. Oh, wait. You're talking about the uh Yeah. What? Adam Stanley. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:25:10]>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, then you'll you'll you'll recognize this. What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I've ever heard. At no point in your rambling, [laughter] incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

[00:25:28]>> Thank you for that.

[00:25:31]What about favorite?

[00:25:31]>> Why? What? What does that have to do?

[00:25:33]What? What does what anything that you just said have to do with anything?

[00:25:38]>> What do you mean? They said that doesn't wrong. Everything about it.

[00:25:45]>> I had to get up.

[00:25:46]>> Okay. Okay. School me. Not ready for the school part.

[00:25:49]>> So, we don't live in 11 dimensions. At least we have no evidence of this.

[00:25:54]Our spaceime is four dimensional, not threedimensional.

[00:25:58]We don't scale things down in order to make measurements.

[00:26:03]We don't have any reason to think that a two-dimensional being, if it even could exist, would not be able to make observations that would inform it about threedimensional a three-dimensional universe. There's I don't I don't know what any of that was.

[00:26:19]>> Okay. So, question. So for example um just to your point you know to one of your points that you made how would a scientist like yourself be able to measure light years without quantifying it down to something very small and then expanding.

[00:26:39]So we use at least for you know nearby things like stars that are you know within a few hundred lighty years away we use something called parallax in the same way that if you put your thumb in front of your face and close one eye and then open the other and then kind of switch back and forth your thumb moves back and forth. Um, in the same way the Earth goes around the Sun and in June compared to say December, stars appear in different locations and you can figure out how far away they are based off of the app the apparent different locations of those stars.

[00:27:10]>> We don't we don't measure their distance.

[00:27:12]>> That's fine.

[00:27:15]>> Right. Of course not. But what I'm saying is that that came from centimeters, right? Because if there if there was no understanding of centimeters of yards, miles of kilometers.

[00:27:27]>> Say that again.

[00:27:27]>> These are just units. They don't depend on each other.

[00:27:34]>> Okay. Okay. So units don't depend units don't correlate to each other at all to any degree.

[00:27:41]>> No, I mean you can convert between them if you want, but that's just a conversion rate. That's like saying that like the yen depends on the US dollar or like the South African rand depends on the Swedish croner. Like there's a conversion rate but they're not related.

[00:27:59]>> I mean they're relative to the goods that are being that that are valuable that that's what gives them the value.

[00:28:04]That's why some uh count's GDP are lower than the others or higher than other.

[00:28:09]>> I'm so sorry.

[00:28:10]>> It's all relative to the value of that.

[00:28:12]So technically they are tied together cuz if we all said gold doesn't matter anymore. If we woke up tomorrow and said gold is no longer valuable then >> this isn't the same thing.

[00:28:24]>> Why are we >> all wake up all wake up tomorrow and say centimeters don't matter anymore. That wouldn't change any of this.

[00:28:33]>> Okay. Okay.

[00:28:36]But also like so what I want to ask you um is where do you or where have your studies or um your industry right where where is your industry thought of about the big bang or the universe's origin?

[00:28:53]>> There is no consensus.

[00:28:59]>> What's that book? What's that book uh that you brought up last time you were on here? the one that I always have sitting at the ready next to my desk.

[00:29:06]This one >> w Battle of the Big Bang.

[00:29:11]>> Yeah, good book. You should read it if you want to know more about what the uh current views are about the Big Bang.

[00:29:18]>> I'm actually gonna put it in my cart.

[00:29:20]>> Yeah, I should I should read that. It's just I don't know. I guess for me, you know, um I don't want to drag it out, but I guess for me it just doesn't I think that it's I think that us as a species are extremely I think that we like myself included are extremely arrogant cuz even then when it comes to God and stuff like that, I don't necessarily believe that the that God himself or itself is even a human. To think that is extremely arrogant, right?

[00:29:52]To think that out of all these That's like saying out of all these planets, out of all this space that we're only >> I don't think any religion that creates an omniropy god has ever said that that omni property god was human.

[00:30:04]>> Well, Christianity kind of does, but >> yeah, they Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if you're doing if you're going Jesus Yeah.

[00:30:15]>> Well, yeah. That's like saying like, you know, every every out of all the planets, out of all the stars and solar systems and galaxies, that we're the only conscious uh highly intelligent beings living.

[00:30:28]That's extremely arrogant to think.

[00:30:30]>> Are you a Christian?

[00:30:34]>> Yeah. Yeah.

[00:30:36]>> So, you think that God was human at one point?

[00:30:40]>> I think that God took a piece of himself and put it in human form. that way. Um, I believe, sorry, I'm still reading the Bible, so I'm not super versed in it, but I believe it was Adam or it was somebody that he wanted to, he wanted them to sacrifice their son on a mound, and he replaced Adam.

[00:31:04]>> That's the actual pronunciation from the Bible.

[00:31:07]>> Sorry. Thanks. Thanks for telling me that. I did not know genuinely. But I think that um I think that God Android that was that wasn't I wasn't making serious.

[00:31:16]>> Oh, okay. Yeah. Sarcasm.

[00:31:18]>> In the beginning, God created a dumb and a sub.

[00:31:21]>> Well, I mean, actually, in Hebrew, it is pron I I So, >> am I right?

[00:31:26]>> Adam, Adam and Sava.

[00:31:28]>> [ __ ] >> Okay, good. Good. See, now that you made him right, it makes me less dumb. Thank you. Appreciate it.

[00:31:35]>> Wait, no. Yeah, that is how that works.

[00:31:38][laughter] >> Um, Andrew, >> I appreciate that. I don't feel so dumb or believing him.

[00:31:44]>> Andrew, I [laughter] just got to It doesn't sound like we've got a real coherent um at least like currently there's not a real coherent um position from you on this. You know what I mean?

[00:31:57]>> Well, my my position is is that in order like so I have a lot and my position is is that in order for the universe to be here, it has to come from somewhere because it's growing. In order for something to grow, it has to start.

[00:32:10]There's no way that you guys can split words or try to there's no way to avoid that. For something to grow, it has to begin, >> right? And for anything to begin, it has to origin from something else.

[00:32:24]>> But the thing is, look, okay, um >> do you think that Okay, suppose that we had a balloon, right? You started blowing air into a balloon. Do you think that the balloon started to exist when you started blowing air into it?

[00:32:39]>> No.

[00:32:41]Okay. So, just because something is expanding to be >> just because something is growing doesn't mean that the beginning of it growing is the beginning of it existing.

[00:32:52]>> But you're missing a step because that balloon was made.

[00:32:56]>> It was an >> in order for it to grow reasoning.

[00:32:59]>> Can you do me a favor? Do me a favor really quickly. Um, Andrew, could you just back off your mic a little bit? You are clipping pretty badly.

[00:33:06]>> Oh, sorry. Sorry.

[00:33:08]>> All good.

[00:33:10]I was just making an analogy. I think >> Yeah. Yeah. But I I our our our biggest thing here, Andrew, is like >> we don't have any concrete evidence of the start point of the universe.

[00:33:24]We have a lot of theories, but like when when I hear people make an argument for God and they go, "Well, the universe must have been created, so therefore it must have a creator." They have like there's a really big burden right here and that's proving the universe was created.

[00:33:45]>> Well, everything well the thing about it is is that everything within the universe is created by the universe.

[00:33:51]That's why everything is extremely similar, right? We don't see any blockshaped planets, right? We don't see square shaped planets or triangle-shaped planets.

[00:33:59]They're all round. Gravity uniformly pulls everything into the center.

[00:34:05]Why? Like it's not like the universe made these rules, >> right? It's not that they they made rules, but it's the fact that they all come from the same origin. The same way everything on Earth from Earth is extremely similar to each other because we all come from Earth and we are all limited to the um I'm sorry, I don't I don't know what it's called, but I guess the cells or the molecules that have been on Earth, we're limited to those.

[00:34:34]So there's only uh a certain amount of mathematical equations to create life.

[00:34:39]There's a limit of what it can look like here.

[00:34:42]>> Isn't that limit?

[00:34:43]>> Same thing. There's a different limit on >> that limit like Isn't that limit like trillions upon trillions of of numbers deep?

[00:34:54]>> Yeah. But we haven't seen that in real life though, right? There's no uh there's no human with without lungs.

[00:35:02]There's no there's there's very little living beings without a heartbeating or without a nose or eyes or ears or any type of senses whatsoever.

[00:35:11]>> I mean, that's empirically false, but like >> like most living beings are bacteria and they don't >> they don't have heartbeats.

[00:35:19]>> Yeah.

[00:35:20]>> Or noses or eyes or lungs.

[00:35:22]>> But yeah, like fish don't have lungs, right?

[00:35:24]>> Okay. And to that >> to that point, bacteria take all the all the different bacteria.

[00:35:30]You said there's many different uh types of bacteria. They're not similar, like foundationally similar in a lot of ways. Why? Because they come from Earth.

[00:35:40]Now, a bacteria from Mars would look way different than one that comes from Earth because >> what Earth is created from, right? So, >> sure, that's probably true. If everything in our in our universe, right, is foundationally similar when it comes to the planets, when it comes to the stars, they're they're vastly spread apart, but they're very very similar foundationally. That means they all come from the same place.

[00:36:06]>> When you get the univer, >> right? They're all coming from they're all created within this universe that has you know relative to us it's infinite amounts of probabilities but relative to the universe as a whole there's a limit on how many molecules and etc etc right so that means in order for it to in order for in order for us for example right to be here on earth the earth has to be here we won't be here unless the earth is here right and if we weren't in the Goldilock zone Like there's there's specific limitations to being able to >> think the the Goldilock zone is it's huge.

[00:36:47]>> I hope so cuz I I like I think that's >> Go ahead.

[00:36:52]>> Have you Have you ever heard the puddle analogy from Douglas Adam?

[00:36:57]>> No, I haven't.

[00:36:58]>> It's pronounced Adam. Douglas Adam. Uh, so one day, you know, there's this there's this pothole and it rains and the pothole fills up with water and the in the in the puddle that forms there wakes up one day and goes, "Look at this pothole. It was so perfectly made for me." But in reality, the pothole really wasn't perfectly made for the puddle, right? It's like the pothole was there first and the puddle just filled up the pothole. In the same way, the earth isn't made perfectly for us. The earth existed here first. Biological organisms um formed on the planet and evolved and to like barely survive on this planet.

[00:37:42]>> Yeah. We adapted to the earth, not the other way around. The earth wasn't created for us. We adapted to it.

[00:37:50]>> Right. I'm not necessarily saying that it was created for us, but I'm saying in order for us to even be here uh regardless, the earth would have to be here. Right? If we were if you took all of these molecules and put them on Saturn, right, like the molecules that created us and that that we evolved into, if we were to take that and put that on Saturn, >> it's it's not going to work out, >> right?

[00:38:16]>> But that doesn't tell us that there must be a God. That just tells us >> that we got lucky and that's it.

[00:38:24]>> All right. I I do Andrew we are we are pushing close to 40 minutes so I do got to end our call and the next call seems very interesting.

[00:38:31]>> Um so it has been fun. Um if you ever want to call in and talk more about like specifically Christianity >> right we feel free to call in about that because like I I just unfortunately on the physics stuff I I think you we're grasping mostly at straws here.

[00:38:47]>> No that's that's completely fine. That's completely fine. Yeah I'll probably talk to you guys later and I definitely want to talk to the uh the PhD guy. He see he seems really smart.

[00:38:55]>> Blitz doesn't want to know more about damn near every day.

[00:38:58]>> Where can where can Andrew find you guys for talking to me?

[00:39:02]>> He doesn't want to talk to me. It's fine.

[00:39:05]>> What did you say? No, I want to talk to Blitz.

[00:39:08]>> If you want to find his streams, >> if you want to find my streams, just look up Blitz PhD wherever you'll find me.

[00:39:16]>> Okay, cool. Sounds great. I hope you guys have a wonderful day, man. Thanks for talking to me. You guys are awesome.

[00:39:22]>> You, too. Have a good one.

[00:39:24]>> Blitz. Blitz, thank you for being uh our Lord and Savior and, you know, giving yourself as a sacrifice.

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