Sanjay Sehgal Podcast: The Religion Debate, Facts That nobody asked

Indiziert: 2026-05-22

[00:00:09][Music] All of a sudden there's a revival of Sos Vande [Music] And I think that's largely because of this thing called social media.

[00:00:23][Music] The first temple we come across is Radha Temple.

[00:00:26]All of a sudden Shivas became to. Then Ram became cool every few years they invented the [Music] things believe unless it is back by personal experience then you are fooling yourself [Music] the young minds getting influenced by dancing and bhajans clubbing and [Music] but I feel being such an influential figure [Music] you need someone who can motivate you on a very higher level. I am to achieve on their levels.

[00:01:03][Music] So I think that I should be motivated from the Supreme Itself.

[00:01:11]You must know that in Kabir [music] Das time and even Sai Baba time. He was also born a Muslim. So Islam was at its peak.

[00:01:19]It was the new Cole then, but even they got liberated.

[00:01:25][Music] Now you've said it, right?

[00:01:26]Yes. Listen for a while.

[00:01:28]Learn to listen also. I [MUSIC] am twice your age. Each one of these guys were spiritual people. They started with something. They started with a religious platform. They transcended that. Swami Vivekananda has said it beautifully. He said it's good to be born in a religion. Bad to die in one. It Means You've Grown [Music] in Your Life.

[00:01:58]Earlier today I was just listening to somebody talking about Sikhism You know all of us growing up in Delhi [Music] Kind of half six At least those days now it is different that's how in Guru Nanak head set ek kankar God is one to believe in one God and that God had no name Now all of us every god has a name every god has a coolness [Music] Associated with it largely because of things social media you know that has been [Music] Made to look cool Sukhiya sab sansar hai khaave aru sovai Dukhiya das Kabir hai jaage aru rovi [Music] The whole world is just busy in indulging [Music] in these things cow and so eat, so sleep. And they are happy like they say [music] that's the worm in a cow dung and a pig in [laughter] right there I think somebody else also said no that better [nasal sound] to be an unsatisfied human being [music] than a satisfied pig and a worm in a cow dung that's an example Daaji you very often that so in many ways you know the happiness is very over rated you are in 2.7 lakh job you have all the [music] friends around you.

[00:03:30]You guys have weekly this, weekly that right become a manager very few people you can hang out with you become director [music] even less. Now You Have More Responsibility VP Even Less This. So it is coming back to your question. I feel I don't think people have understood what religion is.

[00:03:56]Which [music] thing is right? I don't understand which one is wrong. I am frustrated, I have come home, God and what religion should be. We are being controlled by the social media by the leaders we have and we are going along with it happily.

[00:04:20]In our Babuji [Music] you know our UP our first master he used to when we [Music] say no please start meditation he used to actually start puja in Hindi because meditation is actually worshipping the God within [Music] and that's what our scriptures have always said Lord Krishna and Geeta said the same thing I am in the heart of everyone everyone [Music] is in me like I mentioned to Daaji's favourite thing is always told in chat GPT go and just [Music] check how many temples were there in Vedic times? I can answer that or it was [music] at every 10 meters there was zero check now ask from webd to you you ask now it's my product and so you ask no you may have train your product or there were zero temples the Vedic time was actually 1.4 billion years ago and there were temples in [music] every 10 years check now the Vedic structure highly motivated from the temple created by the creator it was there was bhakti in everything everywhere and most of the structures were similar to these kind of objects and the bhakti involve a lot of practices like art and craft and architecture as well as dance and [music] singing itself even politics and some like sadhna yoga extra and by the way I had a very great counter question because you mentioned Kabir Das and Guru Nanak Dev Ji so they both have A similar dialogue even Kabir [Music] Das and even Guru Nanak Dev Ji and they said Ram se bada na koi so as I mean as you quoted them you must [Music] find them figure motivational figure so then why do you disagree that they had even a higher motivational figure [Music] I think you must have visited the Vaishno Devi where the Guru Nanak Dev Ji actually found [Music] was discovered liberation and as of like I understand the culture of clubbing is here your time secularism was actually the new cool but [Music] in Guru Nanak Dev Jesus time was also secularism Buddhism was actually cool in Kabir Das time he was actually born a Muslim. You must know that they say Sai Baba time. He was also born a Muslim. So Islam was on the [Music] peak of like it was the new cool then but even they got liberated suppose there is an image of Shri Ram holding a bow that [Music] a statue the statue represents the killing of Ravana which he did because he ah like he had so many hostages [Music] and he had so many prostitutes under her and he even the ah daughter in law of the goddess of wealth that's why [Music] we worshipping because he made this misery came to an I ye tumhari sab story jo hai dekho ab maine maine aisa nahi bologe dekho I am not going to argue with you you are less than half my age I am shocked to hear all this now you have said na listen for a while learn to listen I am twice your age I like I said I was checking all the things that you are talking about check your chat g not your chat gpt chat gpt I wa Checking in chat GPT because you guys believe in the product, you have not made a product, I should also make a product in which the exact opposite is true, you can not say no, I don't want to argue with you, my boss, I will not get anything to argue with you, I will not get anything to do with you, I have seen thousands, crores of people like you here, I don't want all these things, I am shocked what are you talking about, no, no, you are not, actually not one, I am just telling you why did I search because I could have simply said I know more than you because I am twice your age, no, I did not say that to give you full credibility of what you are talking, what I don't know, I check see, now learn to listen to what I said, learn to listen see, when even Kabira talked about Ram for them, imagine yourself, Guru Nanak ji talked about Ram, he did talk about I no, I am not denying that, but at the end, he said God is one, did not say that yes he said that no so even if somebody started with something where they ended you know lord jesus was born you he didn't start christianity he was a spiritual man each one of these guys were spiritual people then let me complete that's what i am trying to tell you all the guys yes if you ask me don't i know i have been to vaishno devi should listen learn to listen what i am saying properly understand okay he visited but saying that he achieved liberation there durga mata these are the stories people have built around these that is why they are called myths myths are means they are not truths they are mythological stories same way here in in kabir was more recent times for us and not none of the guys actually [music] appreciated any of the religious practices that are Being practiced today and we practice in those times they all felt human beings are losing the values of humanity and that is what they owe to humanity first become a good human being then only you can aim to become divine and that is the path they showed to the people when they talk about Simran and all that you know both of them talk about this that was a path to experience not a belief none of this was a belief. This Was All to Experience and Later to Become I Don't Claim to Be a Scholar. I have never heard this. I have read about Guru Nanak a lot Kabira. I have never heard the stories. [Music] Now I also know that you know today's your so called influencers and they all kind of make all these things and you guys being younger guys are fed all these things you guys grew up in a different times so you're reading different things and as so but just to check because chat GPT need not be bias it could be taking the newer stuff taking the older stuff. So I first would like to tell you that the oldest manuscript ever happened ever located in our Asian [music] region has been preserved in the Nepal University Library Archives [music] you can visit their archives visit their library and read go through it they are in Sanskrit they are written on palm leaves manuscript [music] at the times when they neither the pen nor the paper was discovered so you can go through them and like confirm recon with [music] GBT. So as you being from a tech guy a tech background you know how float a tech can be [music] and how because it is not answered by a human how blindly people can trust them. But don't you think that there would be some flaw and would be some misconception from thousands of years which we are trying to solve. We are spending 4 to 5 lakhs a month which is almost only the burn. Please bring me the data older than that [music]. I should also agree.

[00:12:05]No, I am not talking about old and new, friend.

[00:12:06]I am telling you these kinds of things that you are saying, I am telling you no no no I am really telling you. I have not checked your startup see you said here different thing.

[00:12:15]But maybe I should download and check myself [music] in your startup in your GPT. He had achieved you know his what they call it as whatever enlightenment was in that karta Sultanpur in Sultanpur Kartarpur [Music] is the Gurdwara Kartarpur in which he actually had a final departure in Kartarpur he had left his body in Kartarpur he selected his successor and [Music] he left his body.

[00:12:43]And in fact he went to Vaishno Devi to give name to people not to Durga Mata coming this [laughs] that was translated by Ralph TH Griffin what you are reading and that was a colonizer who spread all those misconceptions.

[00:12:59]What you're quoting is we have all the manuscripts. What you are saying is that if I go to Nepal every month because they said we cannot give you palm leaves.

[00:13:08]Palm leaves don't matter, man. Palm Leave No Palm Leave Doesn't Matter It's The Content That Matters.

[00:13:12]Yes yes or content doesn't matter.

[00:13:12]I will do something true with the palm leaves.

[00:13:14]You say it is the oldest manuscript, if you mean the manuscript of which thing, I am telling you everything, the manuscript of which thing, every now and then did someone else write it, if I go and write it in the palm then will it become my truth, of which thing, I mean every [Music] Text of Sanatan Dharma, this is Sanatan Dharma, we are talking about Guru Nanak, Sikhism is not a part of Sanatan, you leave that aside because you are very declaring that I am Durga Mata, it seems like a movie, it seems like a movie to me, I am not declaring anything.

[00:13:46]I am saying what is written? This is the work, that's what I am asking. Where did you read this thing? [Music] Dramatic These are mythological characters we have.

[00:13:57]But that is called in English. When was English invented? First I would like to ask from the camera. [Music] What ever I mentioned? Is there anything negative or anything offensive? [Music] Please answer correctly. Did I say anything offensive or did I say anything which offends your belief?

[00:14:17]You Forget My Don't Have My Believe?

[00:14:19]You don't have a belief. We collected this manuscript from Panna Sahib Gurudwara Chandigarh. You can visit that and why would I visit I have made GPT now. I don't need to visit or I'll tell you a great thing. You know Guru Govind Singh ji. He rot 10 glands. Only nine of them are accepted by Sikhism. Why? Guru Gobind Singh Ji is the one who established Sikhism. How is another Sikh can say that Guru Govind Singh Ji 10th [Music] Granth is not accepted by Sikhism. He is the owner of that. [MUSIC] What he says is true. You can read Dasam Granth and you can find everything in that what I mentioned.

[00:14:58]Dasam Granth is a scripture written by Guru Gobind Singh Ji himself. You can [music] go through it.

[00:15:10]And you can also find that even when the six callers will come you can ask them that do you accept Dasam Granth and if they say no then I must you should be the one raising the question who are you to not accept something written by Guru Govind Singh because there Guru Govind Singh said that I mean [music] Chandi Maa gave me darshan and from her I have written the entire story of Luv Kush after the death of Ram ji. And she had written that while she was narrating, do not read further. Dasam Granth is present in Anantapur Sahib but never read by any of the Sikhs. I mean a lot of Sikhs have read that [music] but not from the last 35 years.

[00:15:58]So does someone who has who is even 90 years old. Have the credibility to call it completely wrong? No no, leave it brother, die, someone else would have spared the poor child.